$1B of Nude Body Scanners Made Worthless By Blog — How Anyone Can Get Anything Past The TSAs NoSs

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Affection, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Another great comment at the Guardian:

  2. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Stats from the Home Page as I type this -- I have to believe Jon's video is a big part of the reason for 72 guests:

    Online now: 81 (members: 9, guests: 72)
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  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    This is totally dominating Google search results filtered at 24 hours. Literally page after page, including BB's stumbling around the issue while evading any comment on the actual test itself.
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  4. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Oh, he's getting hammered alright. I particularly like this comment about "crudeness" of attacks against security systems.

    (Can someone jog my memory on what the copy-paste policy is on user comments from other sites? I'll leave the link as just a link for now but if reposting user-submitted content in full is kosher, I'll edit this to include the full comment.)
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It was as high as ~200 at point. It's tapering off but will probably pick up again this evening. The mainline papers (e.g. NY Times, LA Times, WSJ, USA Today) have yet to deal with this story.
  6. Incidentally, I sent this video to my senator (Lisa Murkowski) yesterday, and received the same non-commital, boilerplate response I got back in 2010. :rolleyes: At least my other senator, who is bad news all around, flip-flopped on the larger issue when he saw the way the wind was blowing.
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    As long as you put the Quote Marks around it (see menu above in your little Comment window) -- or simply indicate clearly that it's a quotation -- it's okay.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Holy (expletive deleted). 200??!
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    For gov't stuff, there really isn't. They can pretend to have a copyright or to license material, but under the first amendment they cannot prevent you from printing it. If it's on a gov't website, we're free to reproduce it, although we should still have the courtesy to credit the source.

    For private material, what matters is what constitutes "fair use". TUG's official policy is 25 words, but that's often hard to limit to. If at all possible, I try to limit myself to copying two sentences. What needs to be copied, and can you justify copying that as fair use? If the answer to the 2nd part is "yes", give it a try. When you're done, see you can go back through it replace non-essential stuff with elipses (...); that often not only reduces the amount of copyright material copies but also reduces the noise-to-signal level for the reader.
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Keep in my that non-registered users are tracked differently. 200 non-registered users could mean 4 real users each grabbing 50 pages in the last 30 minutes or 200 unique individual users grabbing one page apiece.

    Normally we average about 105 unique visitors daily fetching an average of 1817 pageviews. The numbers increase when TSA is generating lots of negative publicity. :D

    Yesterday there were 1347 unique visitors, 4672 visitors.

    Today so far there have been 2096 unique visitors, 6275 pageviews.
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    TUG is running far ahead of the "other place."
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  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Some technical questions:
    1. Why can't TSA just do sideways shots in the scanner?
    2. What about changing the background color to yellow or something like that? Wouldn't that prevent this sort of thing?
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wonder how many of them work for DHS.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Cartoon Peril, welcome back!

    And don't give them any ideas. They'll just spend more money to "upgrade" their craptastic machines.
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  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    MSM? Can't wait. @Breitbart.
  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Thanks, I've been over consorting with my fellow leftists at Daily Kos. This seems so obvious however. It's like no one ever actually tried to countergame the system before it was installed, and this is in the face of it's rejection by the Israelis.
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  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It's all about the $$$$$.
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  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    1. Without ATR, they could. However that would double the time it takes to go through the nude-o-scope (already takes significantly longer than WTMD) and still wouldn't detect panty bombs. With ATR, they would have to reprogram it to analyze side views, and they would also have to enhance the operator interface. For ATR I believe they currently press a button to flag male/female; they'd need another for front/back or sideways view.

    2. "Background" is just space that doesn't reflect any radiation back, either because nothing is there (real background) or all of it is absorbed (metallic objects). There's nothing that could be colored differently.
  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Don't really want to bring this up, but how long before Jon is arrested?

    He just posted this challenge to Blogger Boob:

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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    P.S. And others have countergamed the system, several times, going back over two years ago. I posted three links about this earlier in the thread; reposting here:

    Airport body scanners unlikely to foil Al Qaeda says MP

    Experts: Naked Scanners will miss a lot of things

    Full Body Scanner FAILS To Detect Bomb Parts During Demonstration (VIDEO)

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