Lawsuit 2 Muslims kicked off plane sue Delta & ASA/SkyWest

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not TSA directly but they participate in a lot of this crap. And apparently they were searched twice by TSA at the gate (two comprehensive gate rapes) but the ASA captain still wouldn't let the on.

    AJC: Delta sued after 2 Muslim leaders are kicked off flight

    Any time ASA (America's Sorriest Airline) gets kicked around the block is OK w/ me. :D
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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The lawsuit ...

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  3. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Will this ever stop???

    Not sure if I mentioned this story here or not.....

    One time when we were flying from Seattle to SF, there were five people in the group in back of us at the checkpoint. All were in their earlier 20s and on their way to see a metal band (we were chatting) - they looked vaguely metal-y. One of the guys (the one with the brown skin) had waist length black hair pulled back in a pony tail, a multi-colored goatee, tattoos and piercings - and big stompy boots. Guess who got stopped at the checkpoint for a thorough search? We were sitting at the gate for quite some time before he finally strolled up.

    Then there was the extra search at the gate. We boarded, and it looked like everyone was on the plane, but we weren't moving. 15 or so minutes after we were all boarded and ready for take-off, the guy in the stompy boots finally showed up. He was mightily put out (as I would have been).

    I know part of it was the way he was dressed, but his friends were dressed much the same. I think what tipped the scales was the color of his skin. :( Twice.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Another reason to send testers through the system.
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  5. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Outside of the random drunk loudmouths, there was only one time when I had someone removed from my flight. A guy refused to stow a bag, so I go back to have a chat with him. He was sitting in a middle seat towards the back with a death grip on what looked like Jeppesen flight bag (actually it was legal documents). Red faced and sweating bullets, he didn't seem 100% coherent either. There was no reasoning with him, so say hello to Officer Friendly the Airport LEO. :cupcake:

    Other times flying out of places like EWR or LGA I would get on the PA and say "Folks, we're ready to push back from the gate, but we can't do that until the passenger sitting in 12C stows his bag". Hilarity ensues when his seatmate offer "encouragement". :eek::D

    I never had to fly with a Little Johnny PeePants crewmember, thankfully. That just wasn't the culture at US, and I think a big part of it was that we had five fatal crashes in the first five years I was there. Just about all of us had a friend or knew somebody on those flights. We grieved, learned what we could do different procedurally, and moved on with our lives. We didn't have teams of Grief Counselors come in to coach us about our "feelings". For a while we were the butt of Johnny Carson one liners, and one of the union LECPs (who hated to fly, BTW) wrote a complaint letter to Carson Productions, which was posted on the bulletin board down in the crew room. The letter included a few jokes I hadn't heard before, so me and some other guys were laughing our butts off reading them.

    Sometimes things get broken and people get hurt. That's life. I'm sure there were some people that didn't want to fly any more, but they moved to another position in the company or just went into other work. Same thing after 9/11, in fact there were several rounds of voluntary furloughs, but the vast majority were people like me that just had other things going on in their lives, so they took the opportunity to pursue them while being able to hold onto their seniority. We certainly didn't have a lot of people stick around and make us, and our customers, miserable with their paranoia.
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  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I have to wonder why, given the facts as stated, why the pilot-in-command was not named as a person of interest, sued in pro per. It is clearly his actions that precipitated this whole mess.
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    How much blood can you squeeze out of a turnip? Regional pilots don't make enough to be worth suing. The deep pockets here are Delta (which sold the ticket, and presumably the ASA segment was also Delta-coded), and SkyWest (the proud recent purchaser of America's Sorriest Airline).

    It wasn't too many years ago that the Mesaba pilots went on strike to get their first officers paid more than WalMart greeters.
  8. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    True, you're not going to get much money out of the pilot, but the idea is to hand him a court judgement that will hang around his neck like an albatross. He would be forever a regional pilot, and never move up. Heck, he might have problems finding and keeping regional jobs if everyone on the Internet can find out he's involved in this kind of crap. I don't see much of a downside, unless he starts working for TSA.
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I think that depends on whether the plaintiffs are truly seeking compensation or also trying to make a point.

    In the Tobey & Mocek cases, I surmise the "point" is as important as the compensation; hence the screeners are being sued in their individual capacities. Perhaps that is not so in this case.

    Law enforcement officers (Mocek case) are a different matter, given that they are almost always indemnified through their employment contracts.

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