20 proposals to help achieve real security

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Cartoon Peril, Aug 1, 2011.


Can we really trust passengers to protect themselves?

  1. Yes, in the end, we have no other choice

  2. (Michael Chertoff only, please) No, that would cut into my 401(k) account.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  2. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    They (HR) think I'm crazy for complaining about this issue. Been doing it for the past 10 years and the complaints fall on deaf ears.
  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    AngryMiller, that's awful. And there's no one else in the company who agrees with you?

    I wish I could say I'm surprised, but sadly, I'm not.
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  4. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Some of the others do, but management basically says "it is part of your job to travel......" When stuff goes missing/damaged and they expect me to do my job quickly without delays. You know the scenario. I've become a nag and don't like having to nag to get people off of dead center.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This might be your best bet in the long run. If the TSA breaks/steals stuff, it's obviously not your fault. Yet your -- and your company's -- work suffers for it. Nothing talks like money.

    I found this out when I worked for an unscrupulous and dunderheaded employer once. Repeated exhortations to fix xyz went unheeded. So when things started getting effed up because of it, then suddenly xyz was fixed.
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    "I am relaxed."
  7. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I ran into this same problem with my previous employer. Remember that I was decision-making level management with an airline. An airline that is (or at least was) anti-TSA. I honestly don't know the current executive opinions, but I doubt they've changed much in the pro-TSA category.

    I was labeled "a troublemaker", "alwasy b&ming about my job", "there are other jobs available", "why don't you just adjust to travel in a post-9/11 world."

    I learned the hard way that everybody has their own issues and they don't want to hear about anybody else's. For instance, it had been a goal of mine to work under the boss I eventually ended up with. By just happy accident she was put over my department while I was finding ways to go work in hers. Since I loved my job, and I had always wanted to work with her, I stayed. She was smart, well-connected, well-respected in the industry not just the company, and funny. God, was she funny! Turns out she was also generous with the company credit card. I had more happy hours and attaboy gift cards in the 2 years I worked with her than in the previous 3 years under someone else. But I digress. Turns out her home life wasn't all that great, and the manager between us was extremely needy. She just didn't want to deal with anybody else's crap. When I started bubbling up TSA-related crap, a brief conversation ended with, "Find a way to deal with it, or I'll find a way you won't have to deal with it anymore." And that's when I learned I was on my own.
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    How long before one of these companies faces a lawsuit over this?
  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    With the courts squarely in TSA's corner, I seriously doubt it will do any good...
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Hmmm. I wonder. Not that I think the courts are the answer -- god knows I never want to end up in one -- the thought of legal fees, and time spent, makes my eyes cross. But companies do have strict regulations on sexual harassment and assault. Then again, I once worked for a place where a woman (yes, a woman) physically assaulted three different people on three different occasions, and not only wasn't she reprimanded or fired, she was promoted! "Her word against yours," the paramecium of a boss told the three people.
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