2004 & 2010 - what's different?

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Sunny Goth, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I've been wondering about this for awhile.

    In 2004 the TSA started groping people. There were a lot of complaints from women, parents who objected to TSA agents molesting their kids, and older people who objected to having agents rub them down (after being wanded) in an attempt to feel a metal implant that the person said was there. After many complaints, the TSA backed off (well, for the most part).

    Fast forward to Nov. 2010 and we're in the same situation only we've ditched the wands and added strip search machines. Complaints are through the roof and yet the groping and x-rays continue.

    What is the difference between now and then? Why hasn't the TSA backed off in the face of the criticism as they did before? Is it Pistole instead of Hawley? Was it just a lull while they ordered the strip search machines? Something else?
  2. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    In my opinion Janet Napolitano, some lower level political appointees and the Southern Poverty Law Center all believe that Americans are going to react to poor economic conditions by committing acts of domestic terror. They're trying to position themselves to manage what they're convinced will be a "necessary" police state. I think that when they show politicians "secret" briefings, these briefings are loaded with fascist fantasies of a nation gone mad, where only an invincible DHS can "save the day."

    I think they are seriously underestimating Americans. We are so much better than our politicians, our federal government and the DHS. We're stronger, smarter, more civic minded, hard working and long suffering. Their regime is going to be history in 2012. That's a shame, because the Obama administration has a few good ideas.

    Oh well. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
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  3. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Try this for speechless:
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    They've backed off a lot in the last monthly. By the end of July they were facing a steamroller of public opinion bearing down on them. Since July they reigned in their goons: No videos of groped grannies, no significant checkpoint episodes except for one guy who got a thorough testicular exam, lots of media puff pieces about less-intrusive scanners (never mind that Germany rejected them as non working), VIPR has completely disappeared from the news, etc.

    I don't think they've truly reformed one bit, but they've successfully diverted attention from themselves for the time being.
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  6. darwin76

    darwin76 Original Member

    No we aren't. We're too busy watching American Idol and camping out in the rain to finance our next iGadget.

    From George Carlin (obvious language warning):

    He said it better than I could.

    Our apathy and ignorance created the system which is now molesting us.
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Long one of my favorite Carlin bits.
  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They managed to run off all of the former TSA employees with enough of a conscience to be offended when referred to as a "child-molesting jack-booted groper."

    The only ones left simply don't care what the general public thinks about them as long as they're allowed to grope and steal.
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  9. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That's a necessary component of a police state. You need thugs, either born or conditioned. It takes time to locate the first, and time to create the second.

    I know: I'm paranoid. That being recognized, I have to point out that I'll be more comfortable when the Constitution is restored to its proper place as Law of the Land. Until that happens, I admit that I'm uncomfortable about the DHS. They give me the willies, plain and simple.
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  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Ah. I didn't realize that you were a paranoid optimist.

    The Constitution hasn't been worth toilet paper at least since the McCarthy hearings. And until you find enough people to say, "ENOUGH!" things will continue to slide.

    I'm sorely tempted to pimp-slap the stupid out of the next idiot who says "Well, as long as they're keeping us safer," in my presence.
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  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Yeah, well optimism is the "default setting" of my basic personality. I can't help it.
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Optimism in the general state of "humanity" was burned out of me before I got out of high school.

    There are some genuinely nice people in the world, but in general most of them just suck. And the worst of those currently work for the TSA.
  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Frontier Airlines, the Detroit Police, and the FBI have just managed what I thought was impossible, which is to make TSA look reasonable.

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