23 More Distinguished TSA Scholars

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You know you're never going to get an honest answer to that from anyone so lacking in honor that they continue to "work" for the TSA.
  2. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Wholeheartedly agreed. Especially when it comes to lies like "The TSA was created to prevent another 9/11."
  3. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    You sir, and your continued insults and implications have reached critical mass. Please enjoy the ingore button, I will.
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I wish I could do the same at the airport, but that's not possible. I guess it's easier for you to hit the ignore button on a forum than to grow a backbone and a brain and realize that your "job" is unnecessary and offensive.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The "Ignore" option is better used discretely, not discussed. :D

    But enjoy -- it's there for a reason, and getting it was one of the objectives of the site upgrade at the start of the summer.
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Doesn't calling a persons penis, testicles, rectum, vulva, and breasts as so called resistance violate the TSA Core Values Mission Statement? Where is the honesty in such a statement or is this Integrity statement just for show?

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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Where is the honesty in any employee of the TSA?
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have no intention of deploying the Ignore feature since I can choose to skip over items I don't wish to read but just where is this button located?

    Never mind, found it.
  9. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Any federal government employee, these days. I have difficulty naming any federal agency with integrity.
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    True. But in most cases, a lack of integrity can't be directly correlated to sheer dishonesty like it can with the TSA and DHS.
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I understand that (and normally would follow as you indicate), but I wished it to be known. ;)
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    So the answer, RB, is "yes".

    and on whom did you perform a weapons check on as an LEO, Rugape? Just anyone? Could you just decide on whom to do it to? Would you have even wanted to do it, even if you could legally, to obvious non threats?
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    It is not so much an issue of just getting an honest answer but a larger issue of a United States agency being ran by cowards. It is nothing short of cowardly to not say we will touch your genitals during a pat down. No claim of impacting security could be made in such a announcement since by doing so everyone is on notice of what will be done. The screeners who repeat the lie of "resistance" are just as much a coward for not being honest about what they are doing. I'm not sure they are even being honest with themselves.

    If I am not mistaken wasn't it Rugape (maybe one of the others at the other place) that stated that no contact with the genitals would happen during a pat down? And now we are back to calling human anatomy by the term "resistance".

    And TSA wonders why they have so little respect from the public.
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  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It's not that they "wonder" about it. It's that they simply don't care whether or not the public "respects" them.

    After all, if anyone points out their utter lack of ethics, morals, honesty, or honor, they can simply ignore that person - or single them out for a trip to that back-room broom closet for a "special" groping.
  15. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    So you stand by 'resistance'
    Your daughter's teacher can also stand by Civil war=end of slavery.

    same difference. Stalemate point proven. The part you said in an earlier post in this thread about 'seeing the other side'-how's that apply then?
  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The term you're looking for is "hypocrisy."
  17. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Wes I have 5 different anatomy and physiology books infront of me or in arms reach. In none of them is there a anatomical structure named resistance its penis, scrotum testicles, vagina, labia major/minora, anus, gluteus minimus/maximus. You can say what ever helps you sleep at night :cupcake: but does not change the fact that what you do is wrong and unconscionable.

    Since you opened the door.... here comes the mack truck. Again TSA is not LE and I pray to god never does, as even the dumbest cops I know are many times smarter then the average smurf. The officers I have talked to and they have said that if they did a patdown like that they would be in deep :trash: and be subject to IA proceedings and/or criminal charges. Furthermore they said if a traveler decided to press the matter its a sexual assault (subject to enhanceements under duress, coercion, under color of authority/law) and the smurf may beat the rap but wont beat the hook up or ride. Several have sad that if they worked at the airport and witnessed such acts smurfs would be perp walked out of the airport on sexual battery/assault
  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am giving you the publicly stated description, that is what they teach in the classes and advise us to say, that is what I am going to stick with.

    That is not a mack truck, really it isn't. I made the distinction between the different patdowns. I was in the Military Police, and when we had a situation and did a pat down, then you check the private areas becasue it is an easy area to hide dangerous items. We didn't do hardly any of the "stop and frisk" things they are doing now, when we did a patdown for officer safety (which was when you had a situation that may have involved a crime and you were just beginning your initial investigation), you did a quick patdown with a cursory examination of the private areas to make certain there was no weapon (predominantly a gun was what we were looking for) was present. If someone was taken into custody, the patdown became more invasive because you were looking for more than just weapons.

    As stated above, someone you did a weapons check on was an individual that was involved in a situation that LEO presence was required - theft, domestic, crime of some sort has been commited and we were in the beginning stages of a preliminary investigation.

    In many situations there is no such thing as an obvious non-threat, and anyone that tells you that is either complacent or unaware of reality, even a 2 year old can point and shoot a gun or cut you. That doesn't mean that all people are threats, in contrast, the vast majority of people don't want the popo around at all - much less want to take a swing at them or hurt/kill them. Each situation is different and should be evaluated by the officer on scene, and then the officer on scene should take the appropriate steps based on local laws and their training.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I didn't ask for the TSA publicly stated description, I ask if a TSA pat down required the screener to make contact with a persons penis, testicles, vulva, anus, or breast. You answered a question not asked.
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Answers to many questions not asked, actually. And not a single answer for the questions that were.


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