23 More Distinguished TSA Scholars

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Sep 7, 2012.

  1. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    How are those two any different from any other TSA employee?
     
  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Because, remember, not all of them are idiots. The rest are psychopaths who know perfectly well what they're doing and enjoy it.
     
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    But the solution remains the same.
     
  4. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Me also, but the silence is deafening...
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    You really don't expect an honest or straight forward answer from anyone connected to TSA do you?
     
  6. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    No, but sometimes I like to watch them chase their tail or contradict themselves in writing. Plus i'd like to see how far, personally a person is willing to stoneface themselves in denial.
     
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    But you won't say what you're actually touching and what you expect to find by touching in those areas. If this is true, I find it unconscionable that TSA clerks, few of whom have your background and training, are being taught something this vague. It invites abuse simply by its lack of clarity. I do not believe that this is what is actually being taught. SOME particular details must be imparted here in this training...

    this is why I asked those questions. Clearly, passengers do not fit into this scenario. So why are you doing this to those passengers, especially at random? That is unequivocally vile, evil, and counter to every basic civil liberty we have.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And clearly a sexual assault if not rape under the new FBI definition.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Even if it is, it's apparently not what the untrainable TSA thugs take away from the "training."
     
  10. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    And the silence continues to be deafening...

    Rugape, you could win the respect and admiration of every person in this forum if you would just answer the simple question that has been asked repeatedly, yet not answered:

    When TSA pat downs are done per SOP does it require the TSA screener to touch a persons penis, testicles, labia, anal region, or breast?

    It would actually be quite easy for you to answer...a simple yes or no would suffice. (Although we would appreciate more elaboration, and in fact many of us feel we are entitled to it.)

    And if you won't answer, can you at least do us the service of telling us WHY you do not feel that American citizens have a right to know if our genitals will be touched during routine screenings performed by our government on our own bodies?
     
  11. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    And the chirping of crickets continues...

    (Why am I not a bit surprised?)
     
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not really. The only way a TSA employee wins any respect at all from me would be to quit "working" for the TSA and denounce their former employer for the thuggish (expletive deleted) they are, all while apologizing profusely for every person they arbitrarily and unnecessarily treated like a suspected criminal.

    Telling a truthful answer to the above question would only affect their personal honor - if they ever had any.
     
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  13. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    You're not going to get an answer from his ilk. People who have neither the personal integrity nor the respect for the basic freedoms and rights that this country was founded upon will contribute nothing to the betterment of it. They would rather it burn than admit wrong or give up on their desire for power and authority.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    There is a disconnect here, is there not, Rugape. You acknowledge that passengers are persons, but your attitude toward them as TSA clerk is strictly impersonal (simply performing functions), which does not and cannot take into account that each passenger is a person. It does not and cannot treat them with the dignity and respect each of them is required to be treated because your processes must be followed regardless and those processes directly violate human dignity. There is no way that strip searches upon innocent people should be done. At last, it looks like the explicit searches (backscatters) are starting to disappear, finally, after two years of uproar. Yet you continue to feel over passenger's genitalia and other intimate parts of their body based on what? Few if any screening operations in other civilized parts of the world do that, so don't say it is required for security.

    That, my friend, would possibly be legitimate, IF the machines presenting these alarms were reasonably accurate. Are they? What is the false alarm rate of the MMW with the stick figure avatars? Even worse, what is the false alarm rate of the ETD swabs? The latter is around 100% false/bad result, is it not? How is the gross sexual intrusion of your invasive crotch rubbing in the private room and breast feel overs possibly justified by such an absence of just cause?

    And that is the kicker, is it not? Why did you add that? Because that is the cart blanche you people reserve as justification to feel up people whenever you want. The random feel over. This is worse than the feel-overs you do based on alarms, as poor as those are for justifying your behavior. It means that persons going through your checkpoints cannot be secure even if they do everything right; it means that personal intimacy will be invaded, private, personal areas will be touched and the person degraded by you simply because you want to. You are restrained by nothing.

    It is criminal behavior to subject another person to such invasive, personal searches as you are doing without just cause. Sorry, random search is not just cause, nor is an alarm that is shown to be false in 100% of the cases.

    You don't need to go to school and take classes to understand these things, Rugape. They are right there in plain sight.
     
  15. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    You got a point. I amend my statement - what it should really say is, "Rugape, some people in this forum would think you are a bit less of a thuggish (expletive deleted) if you would just answer the simple question that has been asked repeatedly, yet not answered."

    Answering the question isn't going to stop the thuggery or sexual assaults, regardless of what the answer is (which it's clear we'll never get). If it's SOP to touch genitals, then clearly they are going to continue to do it because it's their job to sexually molest innocent travelers. If it's NOT SOP to touch genitals, then clearly they are going to continue to do it because, in spite of the fact that it's not SOP, they've been doing it to us for years anyway.

    So really, in the end it doesn't matter - nothing is going to stop it until the TSA is disbanded. And anyone who chooses to work for an organization that knowingly sexually molests innocent people day in and day out - SOP or not - is a thug and a (expletive deleted).

    Although I still feel that we Americans have a RIGHT to know if touching our genitals is SOP. But we'll never find that out, will we, Rugape?
     
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  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Nor would answering the question with a yes or no reveal anything damaging to TSA's ways and means. Hiding behind SSI in this case just illustrates how cowardly TSA really is.
     
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  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    It is highly probable that any TSA employee answering in the affirmative to "Does the SOP actually require touching a passenger's genitals?" would be terminated from the only "employment" they're capable of maintaining, whether because they have no marketable skills or because they really enjoy carrying out the TSA's orders.

    As indicated by the parable of the scorpion and the frog, it is illogical to expect animals to act against their nature - which is why I do not expect any employee of the TSA to act in an honorable fashion.
     
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  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I have no idea, without seeing the images from the AIT, I can give no specific answer to that question. By my understanding if there is an anomaly on your knee, the knee is to be cleared, if it is bare, then cleared visually, if clothed then cleared by patdown.

    Sorry for not commenting back earlier, I have been on vacation!
     
  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I guess the "Gumby figure" MMW AIT really does store images, then, if Rugape says he needs to see "the images from the AIT" when Gumby has a yellow square on your knee.
     
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So please explain, why do bald men get a scalp message? Why do women with artifical needs have their breasts and genitals groped by a government pervert?
     

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