8 Defendants Found Guilty in NYC Occupy Trespass Case

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Lisa Simeone, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Truthout.org: 8 Defendants Found Guilty in Occupy Trespass Case
    And then we have this gem:
    And why not? When corporations are people and Money is God, that's the way it should be!

    As Chris Hedges explained in a recent column, Trinity Church and its pastor are hardly following in the footsteps of Christ. On the contrary, they're the money changers in the temple. The Rev. D. James Cooper is a multi-millionaire, and Trinity holds billions in Manhattan and Florida real estate. Blessed are the poor my (expletive deleted). Cooper was pushing for prosecution of Occupy protesters.
     
  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The robe doesn't make the monk, as the old saying goes...
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This is not a civil rights issue. They chose to go over a fence on to private property.

    It might have been a space that was normally open to the public, but at that point it time it was closed.
     
  4. MaximumSisu

    MaximumSisu Requiescat in Pace

    Have to agree.Protest is fine, but watch out for stupid mistakes.

    As I was once told in another context " Don't give the bastards an excuse or an easy out."
     
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

     
  6. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I thought that churches were supposed to be places of refuge...guess I was wrong...:(
     
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And by the way, I also got arrested for trespassing. I wasn't sentenced to jail for 45 days.
     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Sounds like Bishop Packard stopped in a the wrong church. There is some irony here.

    With regard to churches being a place a refuge, traditionally that's true, but it's a place of quiet respectful refuge that doesn't disrupt the church.

    And apparently this particular church doesn't provide refuge. It's a free county.
     
  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    For the record, they weren't in the church. They were in the square outside the church. Duarte Square. There's a sign on the fence around the square that says "Open to the public."
     
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But apparently the square was closed & they went over the fence. You can be arrested for trespassing on public property. Climbing over a fence is a good way to start the process rolling.
     
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Many churches are places of refuge and sanctuary, however if the folks using it for that reason fail to abide by the rules set forth by said church, many will revoke that sanctuary. This is a bit of a different situation however, the area out front had been closed off, and there was a fence in place to make certain of the closure. The ones being charged, jumped that fence after this closure. Had these folks been seeking sanctuary or refuge it would have been a different situation altogether, but according to the reports I have read, they jumped the fence only to draw attention their cause, not for the purpose of refuge.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, that's the point of civil disobedience.

    45 days is excessive.
     
  13. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    That case can be made, and I agree that there are more constructive ways to make a statement on behalf of the court system. Civil disobedience is not a license to violate laws, at its essence (in many cases) it is a violation of laws or at the least legal directives (such as orders that police issue - presumably for the public safety). When one knowingly violates a law, then the fact that the punishment they may recieve is excessive in their (or other) eyes, does not preclude the court from using that full range of the law with respect to the punishments.
     
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    No kidding.
     

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