Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Feb 28, 2012.
Interesting perspective from one pissed cop.
My sympathy was with him right up until...
If he's got "friends who still work at the airport with TSA," he's unworthy of sympathy. If he'd mentioned "people who used to be friends until they refused to disavow the TSA," I'd sympathize.
The only good thing I see here is another person getting annoyed at the TSA's gross overreach.
My guess was he was a local LE assigned to the airport. Can't say that I'd be inclined to befriend anyone who worked for TSA but I suppose a long time friend who joined TSA could complicate matters.
Either way, good that he saw the light. One grope at a time.
Been there. Cut him off halfway through a sentence defending the TSA's warrantless and suspicionless gropings and said "As long as you're willing to work for the TSA, don't speak to me."
Haven't heard from him since. Nor any of those mutual friends who maintain him as a friend.
Good response. Hope I never have to make that choice and considering my social set it is unlikely I ever will. Unless one of them decides to go inside as a mole, in which case I'd probably support them.
This part shows the crack of lighting through the clouds and smacking him on the forehead:
I couldn't help wondering though how many citizens go through this process and come out raging mad. It is very humiliating and knowing that they can do it randomly without any justification other than it is "policy" riles me up a bit. For a police officer in order to conduct a pat search for weapons, you have to have "reasonable articulable facts" that would lead a person to believe that somebody is concealing a weapon. A cop can't go on a fishing expedition and search every person they come in contact with unless they can justify why. Apparently this doesn't apply to the TSA. They will lie and state they saw something suspicious but there is no way anything came up on the scanner given my minimal clothing having come out of 80 degree weather."
I think he may have been the victim of the MMW's tendency to false alarm on sweat (moisture). If the weather was hot, I can understand how someone could be sweating "down there" after having sat in a hot car, bus, taxi, whatever. Of course, that still doesn't excuse the over-the-top frisking he got! Like he said, pure bulloop:!
Another guy who didn't get it until it happened to him. He acts like he's shocked! shocked! that this is going on. He says he wants to "dig into this a bit more." Hey, buddy, how much digging does it take to understand that groping people against their will is assault? And that it's going on all over the country and has been for two years? And that other people have been suffering this while you were going blithely about your business not noticing?
Let him dig. At this point, there's more than enough "treasure" buried just below the surface that when he finds it he'll either (expletive deleted) a brick and try desperately to return to his life of self-delusion, or join the ranks of the mad-as-(expletive deleted)-and-not-going-to-take-it-anymore.
The rose gardeners usually refer to that sort of "treasure" as "black gold."
Well if he really does dig that's one thing, I 50/50 on that akin to when your parents say "we'll see."
(hint: usually means "no.")
It is unacceptable. No progress whatsoever has been made in curtailing these sexual assaults. It's nauseating to realize that this isn't a dystopian science fiction novel, it's reality.
At PHX, I believe he's more likely to be going through BSX than MMW.
So a self declared cop who has observed what TSA has been doing changes his mind when its his resistance that is being groped.
I have little sympathy for this slime ball. Was he blind all the time he was working in airports?
Apathic. Much like most of the country. As long as it's not them (yet) their heads are the sand.
Yep. BKSX have been at PHX since 2008.
He's a cop, so why didn't he prone out the pedosmurf?
Jurisdiction? From what I read, he got groped in Phoenix, but lives/works in NorCal.
Have a friend who is not a frequent flyer. When she told me about an upcoming trip I began educating her about the TSA and what she might expect and how to handle the screening process based on all the information I've gotten from you wonderful members of TUG. Sent her a link to our website and forwarded plenty of articles so she would be hopefully prepared for anything. I don't believe she fully believed everything I was telling her - she does now! This is what I received from her this morning via her IPhone: "Tsa. Did body search. Clean gloves many pair. Came up explosives on me and me breaking up in tears all over the place. All tsa ladies were wonderful but how stupid all this energy was WASTED on ME thought i wad going to miss flight i became separated from my crap including watch and credentials"
Sounds like she took my advice about insisting on clean gloves. We might have another convert.
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