Active shooter at the Navy Yard in DC

Discussion in 'Security' started by Rugape, Sep 16, 2013.

  1. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    As of this moment, details are sketchy, but there is an active shooter scenario ongoing at the Navy Yard. Currently reports indicate at least 7 people injured including a naval security guard, and a responding LEO - no further report on whether the other injuries are civilian or military. The shooter(s) currently remain at large and local LEOs have responded to assist with the hunt, read more here:

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...washington-several-wounded-officials-say?lite

    It is also currently updating periodically at http://www.drudgereport.com/
     
  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    so far at least 4 killed. wonder if this a commodore hassan type incident? too soon to speculate. but in this case, it doesn't look like the perp intends to surrender.
     
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Last report I saw said there were three active shooters, and cops were tied up getting people to move away from the scene.

    "Hey, y'all! Let's mosey on over and watch the gunfight!"

    Idiots.
     
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    depending on the ordinance and caliber, the light weapons in use here can penetrate significant thickness of metal at 400 yards and go through sandbags. I wouldn't be too keen on rubbernecking down there at the OK corral.

    If it's three perps, then this is not a crazy-shooter incident, it's an attack.
     
  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Agreed on both counts. Current reporting is bouncing between two and three shooters. We probably won't know until long after the all-clear is sounded and everyone can get their stories aligned to make this either "workplace violence" or "terrorism."
     
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Two shooters reported "down."

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/

     
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Great, some citizen will find the tango when the cops give up looking, then they'll make a great of show of shooting up the place and arresting someone who's already half dead. :rolleyes:
     
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  9. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Agreed, one loony can be written off as a disgruntled/having a mental break/scorned lover or any other of the usual stories accompanying an event like this. 3 shooters indicates some level of coordination and a goal.

    Rubbernecking is almost always a bad thing, especially when there are still people slinging bullets around and a large host of military, para-military (SWAT) and tense LEOs on scene still hunting active shooters - it is a recipe for disaster in several ways.

    Last report I saw indicated the possibility of 2-3 shooters and at least one of them down. At least the folks on scene took a bit of time to plan out the response better than everyone running in willy nilly - this is showing signs of consistent command structure and process, which is what you would hope for in a situation like this.
     
  10. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Well, it's not like there aren't any other government agencies that like to make a big show and then take credit for meaningless actions...
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    From: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/09/16/navy-yard-additional-shooters

     
  12. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The image emerging is disturbingly similar to other mass shooting events, friends and many of the people that interacted with him are giving the same type of statements - "He was a good guy" and the like. The emerging picture of him sounds almost bipolar in some ways - praying Buddist most of the time, obssessed with playing shooter games for hours upon hours, meditating half a day on every Sunday for clarity and peace, always carried a gun with him because he was worried someone would try to steal his stuff. It is always sad to see things like this happen, primarily for the people that this individual killed or hurt, but also for those that were his friends/family and for him as well. I wish there were some better way to determine at risk people for these types of things and get them the help they need before they snap and do something terrible. Now the anti-gun lobby as well as the pro-gun lobby will hold this up as a perfect example of why their side is right, and the families and individuals harmed by this will be sort of shoved off the stage in favor of the position du jour.

    Some really good reading on this guy from the interview with his former roomie in Texas found here - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...gunman-obsessed-with-violent-video-games.html

    The most updated articles I have found have been here at the UK Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...exis-named-gunman-murdered-12-injured-15.html
     
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    What's most disturbing is that he was arrested in Texas for shooting through the ceiling of his apartment into another unit, but the prosecutors dropped the case. He could have been banned from owning weapons if Texas prosecutors had done their job.

    We already had laws in place to keep this guy from owning guns. The authorities neglected to use them.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    looks like the perp acquired weapons after entering the yard. denying him ownership of weapons may not have been enough.
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I believe he had one of his own when he entered and then qcquired others.

    However, the stories/reports seem to be constantly changing.
     
  16. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Yeah, that seems to be one of the things that keep surfacing as a "side note" instead of a focus. Usually they won't know the total truth until after the CSI crew and investigators do their walkthrough, collation and interviews, not to mention the legwork of comparing ammo and serial numbers and all that rot. I am really interested in seeing the walk through on this once the investigation is finalized and available, if he overpowered someone and aquired other weaponry inside, then the examination turns to how to better secure the facilities. Anyone that has done guard duty (military or other security related post work) can tell you that security posture is almost always cyclical in level of protection. After an event like this, everyone is hyper vigilant and folks will be looking for everything out of the norm, 6 months from now, they will cycle back towards complacency - that is simply how it works with static security work for the most part. The human mind does not lend itself well to staring at the same 50 yard patch of fence (or the CCTV watching that section of fence) 8 hours a day for any length of time. Perhaps something positive will come out in the security protocols or process that can help remain more vigilant.

    I have seen that as well. The story will change 4 million times before it solidifies into the final product, and our 24/7 newsies will report every single version of it ad nauseum for us.
     
  17. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The FBI is now saying that he used a shotgun, and deny that he ever used an AR-15 as was reported by, well, almost every "journalist" writing about the incident.
     
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If he had an ar15 and knew how to use it there would still be a standoff.
     
  19. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Yup, all of the media jumped all over that in like a nanosecond. The current stories indicate he had the shotgun and took some handguns from the downed security guard or PD. Nice to see the NYC press condemning the AR-15 as a weapon of slaughter, even when it didn't make an appearance in person.

    Possibly, but you know with the current tactics and protocols by most SWAT groups, they probably would have brute forced him after a couple of hours. It would have depended on who was actually in charge on scene, and how patient they would be. Some scene commanders are steady, and want to come to as peaceful a resolution as possible, others are not.
     
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    When I heard he had an AR-15 and was military, I figured the ending would involve handgrenades or something larger. I don't fault the quick action on this one though, with a shooter on the loose against targets hiding in offices. IMO, no time to negotiate unless you absolutely had him pinned. Then handgrenade him anyway to save trial costs.
     
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