Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Apr 6, 2012.
This has several parts as well. Click on the poster's name to see related videos.
In the video is a bald guy in a suit trying to stay low profile. In one image he is wearing a lapel pin that looks like a small TSA badge. I think this guy is TSA and he orders the guy to turn off the camera.
If the guy is TSA I have to wonder what retraining TSA will find for him?
Seems TSA employees of any position haven't gotten the message that video is not prohibited. Are TSA employees that stupid or is the message being given to airport TSA workers the opposite of what the public is being told? West?
I've long been convinced that they have two policies -- the one on their web page and the unpublished unconstitutional one that almost all of them universally try to enforce.
I have to wonder: Did Bart train these clowns? Is Bart one of these clowns?
This is the earlier video mentioned in the quote above:
SATTSO is there somewhere in this brain trust.
Still waiting for that happy feeling you were getting last fall SATTSO, about things getting better.
I don't think he is as I recall him describing himself as wearing his hair in a pony tail, if you can believe it.
I don't think he gives a rip about it getting easier or better for passengers.
These A.S.S. types tend to get all giddy though when the possibility exists to heap on more abuse. Bullies, the lot of them.
I have to think there's a culture of allowing screeners to maintain the wrong information about some of these things. If they want to get the message out on something, they do. The change in policy on groping kids changed things immediately. There have been pretty much no current kid groping videos or stories since. Why they would do this, I don't know -- in this case it allows them to fight to keep their misdeeds off camera, but what about the Nexus card problem that never gets solved?
I agree w/ phoebepontiac.
If they want something changed to protect their image, the message gets out and it's done.
If they put out a public policy to assuage the masses, it never seems to get to the front line employees, effectively creating a no-photography policy while seeming to say things like, "Balderdash! Of course we allow photography!" They make appearances of respecting the 1st Amendment, while actually taking a huge all over it.
I don't have time to watch these videos right now, but maybe someone should alert this guy to Phil Mocek's case so he has some background to build on?
It's not just the 1st Amendment. There's not a single TSA employee who respects the US Constitution at all, let alone any of the Bill of Rights.
Heck, I doubt most of them have read it. And many of them at one time or another took an oath to defend it - so we at least know what their sworn oaths are worth.
Yeah. They're worth less than .
That "Oath to Defend" is something I know is treated as meaningless paperwork by, I expect, most public servants. I had to sign one of those when I joined the Peace Corps. They presented us with the oath at the end of training as just another sheet of paper we needed to sign, and then recite at the swearing in ceremony. When I read it I was shocked -- uphold and defend the constitution? What did that mean in my circumstance? What exactly did the Peace Corps have to do with the constitution at all? (Something I had never considered, but cut me some slack -- I was fresh out of college, very naive about government programs, and just wanted a way to use my Russian.) When I asked questions about the oath, though, I was told, "Don't worry about it, just sign it. Even postal workers sign it." Memory is foggy, but the guy might have even said, "It's no big deal." That, at least, was the attitude.
I'd been told to lie about my qualifications for my teaching position by the country director, and to lie to the people I worked with about how much money I was making. I was told I needed to speak the official language of the country (Ukrainian, of which I had what little they taught me in training), even when people spoke to me in the language many of them preferred (Russian, which I spoke at an advanced level), because it would make them feel guilty about not being patriotic enough to learn the proper language they should be speaking, according to their government. I also felt like the whole experience was more like indentured servitude than volunteerism. And now there was this thing about upholding and defending the constitution, which was apparently meaningless. The culture of dishonesty was too much for me. Not what I had thought was meant by "the toughest job you'll ever love." I wanted nothing to do with it.
I was kind of in a bind, though. I wanted to quit, very badly, and did not want to sign that oath, but quitting the Peace Corps is like walking away from a cult. (Not that the Peace Corps is a cult, it's just that you swallow a lot of ideas about what it means, and why you need to tough out the two years no matter what, so leaving is very very hard.) I went ahead and signed it, and recited it with everybody else, though I remember I didn't say certain words in the oath that bothered me. Then I went to my site, brooded alone in my room for a couple weeks, and then gathered up my nerve and my stuff, went back to the capital, and announced my resignation.
Anyway, long story, but if well-educated Peace Corps volunteers routinely blow off the oath, can we guess what the screeners do with it? You're right, they probably don't even read it, just sign by the X.
I was thinking more of those who're proud of mentioning their military experience prior to deciding to take a massive dump on the very people they previously swore to defend.
In post #3 I left a question for West (Rugapee) but after a few exchanges in the latest TSA Blog thread I have little hope of any straight answers from anyone connected to TSA. For a little entertainment I recommend
where you can observe how government employees dodge questions.
I haven't any. No employee of the TSA can be trusted.
Yeah, my personality flaw is showing.
Look on the bright side - you're nowhere near flawed enough to be considered employable by the TSA.
I once considered applying for TSA, then I woke up and realized I was having a nightmare.
Wow. That was painful to read. I am so over Rugape and his friendly fascism.
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