Americans fall for TSA’s fearmongering claims

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Dec 21, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Americans fall for TSA’s fearmongering claims
    I made a valiant effort -- or two, or three, or ten, or twenty -- at that Anchorage Daily News article yesterday, but finally gave up. Just stopped commenting. You can't reason with these people. Facts mean nothing to them.
  2. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Fear is irrational. For those folks there isn't anything you can say that will change their minds.

    I have a couple of people in my family who are like that - there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that I can say. They hate flying to begin with, and are convinced that the plane they're on is going to crash and that they're all going to die a painful fiery death. If they think that the TSA can prevent that outcome even though there's no scintilla of evidence showing otherwise, they'll do whatever is asked of them. Totally irrational, but there it is.
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  3. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I think the TSA makes us all less safe. If WE all know how incompetent they are then any terrorist would know the same thing and it wouldn't be hard to get something past these ninkompoops.
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  4. If it makes you feel any better, most Alaskans won't touch the ADN with a ten foot pole. It's a terrible newspaper. The articles are often even incoherent. I don't know who the people are who comment but they aren't the Alaskan mainstream. That Alaska Dispatch seems to be a more representative readership, at least for the internet.
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Well, exactly. I keep trying to put facts out there, to argue using empirical evidence, risk assessment, statistical analysis, logic, historical precedent, just for my own satisfaction. I know it doesn't work with the addlepated throngs. We've had this discussion at TUG several times. The more sanguine among us have often said, "most people just don't realize what's going on; once they know, they'll do the right thing, they'll come around."

    Uh, not.

    People are in denial. It doesn't matter how much they know what's going on. They refuse to acknowledge it.

    I was just at a dinner party last night. Wonderful, warm, generous, funny, diverse, and otherwise intelligent people. But clueless on this. Clueless. One was talking about how she'd been traveling for work over the past few months -- Singapore, Jamaica, somewhere in Eastern Europe. Flying all over the place. "Well, I've never seen anything bad happen. I didn't have any problems with the TSA." This is a wonderful, kind woman. But clueless.

    It is precisely that cluelessness and that denial that make it possible for fascism -- in whatever forms -- to arise. Exactly that. That's how our rights are taken away, bit by bit, in dribs and drabs, as people acquiesce first to this abrogation, then to that one, until they turn around one day and wonder, "gee, how did the country get like this?"

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  6. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I consider this a form of apathy, a if-it-doesn-'t-happen-to-me-I'm-not-bothered.

  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I'm finding that most of my female friends are so horrified by what's going on in the U.S. that they deliberately ignore current events and avoid serious discussions about politics or the economy.

    They fear that if they dwell on what's going on they'd be scared stiff, so they studiously ignore the whole mess. That - and who wants to disappear into unlawful, secret detention? That's really terrifying.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    My friends are willing to talk about politics, the economy, current events, but not the TSA (or anything to do with the National Security State). So politics up to a point, I guess.
  9. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I am reminded again of The Garden of the Finzi-Continis.
    The retaliation some of us have already experienced makes some people scared to even be associated with us.
    "Fear is irrational"? Said by someone with a job. The National Security State listens, and the well-off women of greater DC know this better than most.

    Most of my friends have been tracking the same sad set of events themselves. I'm encouraged that some have even contacted me with some TSA-horror story they just learned about, knowing about my TSA event last March. When I read some of the remarks here, about circles of acquaintances not wanting to talk about it, I think to myself, "You need different friends!"
  10. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    How does avoiding the topic help them in any way?
    Would it not be better to have information, know the possible options of actions and be able to have plans of action in the case if/when the mess comes about?
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The Garden of the Finzi-Continis is a beautiful, beautiful movie.

    The friends of mine who don't want to talk about it aren't doing it out of avoidance or fear or anything like that. They're doing it because they think I'm off my rocker on this topic. They roll their eyes. Again, because nothing bad has ever happened to them, they think nothing bad happens. The few stories they've allowed their brains to register -- the strip-searching of the old ladies, for instance -- they file away as gross aberrations, so unlikely and so rare that they don't have to worry about them.

    They think this is a passing phase for me. Nobody's ever come out and said it, but I know them and I know that's what they think. "Oh, Lisa says she'll never fly again, but she'll get over it. She loves travel too much. She'll come around." My mother-in-law just said to me last night that she hopes I'll go over to the UK for this family wedding that's coming up, then starting talking about how great the little town is, how old-fashioned, just like I like it, and the traditions, etc. I told my husband this morning, "you know I'm not going." "I know," he said. "They don't know you like I do."

    So at least he gets it. But he, of course, is still flying.
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  12. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    We love you the way you are, Lisa. What about a Cunard line voyage?
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Or depart from Canada, where there are marginally more civilized?

    Then again perhaps she is so enjoying not flying at all! I had originally planned to do the Marrakesh Express DO this month by driving to Thunder Bay (Ontario) & flying fom there (only 55K CO miles just as if from the U.S.), but by mid-spring I was so appreciating not having to deal with the airport pervs that I just called it off.
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The ships are really expensive.

    Flying out of Canada is a possibility, though the Canadians have started taking a page out of our book, with the scanners at least. Don't know if they're groping as zealously as the TSA, but even if that's not their SOP, they might decide to retaliate against an American. Who could blame them?
  15. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    To wit:
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Thread: Flying from Canada to Europe to avoid TSA?
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Everything in the last post is 100% hypothetical fearmongering with no substantive examples.

    The post before it has one substantive example (Jim Rees), but from his description we can't tell if it was a cursory patdown (of which I've had several, e.g. Oslo) or an in-the-balls TSA grope 'n poke.

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