Another Stranded Victim (Wade E. Hicks Jr.) of DHS's No Fly List

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Oct 17, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    This not only eviscerates the victim's right to travel freely, but also involuntarily separates him from his employment, property, home and associates.

  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    "Try to get back from Oahu to the [continental] United States," he said. "It's a long swim and it's a long boat ride."

    Are boats even an option today?

    Time for a reminder, Elizabeth & others. The #ixzz29Z7EwJLQ at the end of this URL:

    is a tracking ID that associates that link with your IP address and any other info that they know about about you. It's always best to try stripping these things off & seeing if the link still works. In this case,

    works just fine.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I fail to understand exactly how DHS can take away a persons right to freely travel around their country without due process.

    Perhaps someone can explain this to me.
  4. yautjalady

    yautjalady Original Member

    Mike, thanks for that info about the ISP tracking!

    Somehow that second link in your post still has those characters in it :0
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It can't be explained. We are in a police state without Law. The teeth of this is being slowly revealed.
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  6. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Thank you Mike.
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    What I don't understand is that our Judiciary seems just fine with this. It's bizarre.

    Really and truly, I don't think the people our DHS is worried about are even slightly dangerous to the U.S. Whatever the DHS is trying to protect, it isn't the U.S. At least, not the U.S. we grew up in.
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If the 1.8 million air travelers per day figure is even close and we have had no terrorist attack attempts in this country since 2001 then just who is TSA suppose to be looking for?
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  9. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    This! This is why I will not vote for Obama-lama-ding-dong, nor any member of congress who has voted for NDAA! All those A$$tards must GO!
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  10. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    So basically it's a preschooler saying 'If you'd don't know then I'm not telling you! pfffbth!" :rolleyes:
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  11. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    It is hard to believe this is even remotely legal, but here it is, modern day Amerika.

    But the sheeple are still grazing and watching sports or some inane sitcom.
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  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    1. The story went main stream:

    2. The embarrassing "problem" was "resolved" right about the same time the story went main stream:
    3. I am 99% sure there's nothing "mysterious" about Hicks addition to the no-fly list. The DHS absolutely profiles people based on their protected political speech, and punishes what they do not like. The SPLC's psychopathic filth has contaminated our government, and how long it will take to exorcise is anyone's guess.

  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    They usually back down before it comes to a head in the courts because this type of behavior (which often seems to catch people between their outbound & return trips, i.e. they can't go home) absolutely will not withstand legal scrutiny if it ever comes to that.

    If you're a west coast Muslim, they seem to enjoy making you & your attorney jump through all sorts of hoops. One attorney was not allowed to bring two separately-stranded Muslims home on the same trip; they forced him to arrange a second trip for the other guy.

    One of their victims (a U.S. citizen) is now requesting Swedish asylum because he doesn't feel particularly at home here any longer.

    When it's all over & documented, DHS is going to be a very ugly page in the history of American civil rights.
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  14. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    The DHS is already a very ugly page in the history of America.Period.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    DHS redefines ugly.
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    (1) I think it happens more often when innocent, decent Americans are trying to begin their travels, but we don't hear about it because it doesn't make nearly as melodramatic a news story. We read about a few cases early last year.

    (2) Who blames him? I don't feel particularly at home here any more either, but the U.S. is my home. I have no other. When I think of resettling I feel old, too old to start my life over in a new country.

    I'm not a terrorist or even an activist. I want to live in peace in the country my family and I helped build and defend. I don't understand why things had to go so terribly wrong. Why are we being "led" by fascist psychopaths?
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  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Go to public places, malls, etc., and watch people for awhile. Listen to bits of conversation. What picture do you get of the "american people"? Uneducated, unengaged, lazy, and self-centered. Even supposedly educated people clueless as to the history of their own country, the nature of their own constitution, and as to the nature of freedom. Idiots who think freedom is what what they have now, or more precisely, freedom is whatever the government lets them have now. They've got the government they deserve. That isn't gonna change until external circumstances forces changes in attitudes and some rethinking.

    We're seeing the high water mark of big government. The ballooning state balance sheets all across the industrialized West filled with trillions in deficits and offset by air leave this in no doubt whatsoever. It will not be long.
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  18. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    It's not a sin to be stupid. I see no reason not to meet the needs of stupid people, nor do I see why meeting the needs of stupid people necessitates fascism. We should be able to protect the masses without exasperating sensible folk.
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  19. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I agree. So why is our country in the mess that it's in right now? The answer is plainly simple: Stupid people, leading stupid people. It's time for a CHANGE in government, now! I heard on the news that a record number of Republicans have registered to vote this year in Texas. Maybe, just maybe, there is HOPE?!
  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    People have the intelligence range they're born with, so in that sense, there's nothing wrong with having, say an IQ of 90 versus 140. But yes, people are responsible for developing whatever they have and becoming informed. They are responsible for whether they seek the truth or not. To do anything else is to misuse the human intelligence they were given and frustrate their own destiny.

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