Asiana Airlines 777 Crash @ SFO

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by RB, Jul 6, 2013.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Holy sh*t, it looks like parts of SFO are back in the dark ages for the summer, from here:

    NOTAM SFO 06/011
    !SFO 06/011 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R IM OTS TIL 1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 16:58:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/010
    !SFO 06/010 SFO NAV LDA RWY 28R GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:43:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/009
    !SFO 06/009 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R CAT 2/3 NA WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:42:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/008
    !SFO 06/008 SFO RWY 28R RVRT OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:42:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/005
    !SFO 06/005 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28L GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:40:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/004
    !SFO 06/004 SFO NAV ILS RWY 28R GP OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:40:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX

    NOTAM SFO 06/003
    !SFO 06/003 SFO RWY 28R ALS OTS WEF 1306011400-1308222359
    CREATED: 01 Jun 2013 13:39:00
    SOURCE: KOAKYFYX
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    What the NOTAMs (Notice to Airmen) above are saying is that the glide path (GP) is out of service on runway 28L June 1 - Aug 22. Runway 28R is much more degraded.

    FAA map of KFSO:

    asiana sfo map.png
     
  3. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I have a two friends that work for FD/EMS in the Bay area that are on duty today and now in the middle of this MCI (Mass Causality Incident). All ambulance resources within 75 miles have been requested via Mutual Aid Agreements priority 1. Before they got to busy was report of 2 Black 25 Red 45 Yellow and a "butt load" of Green

    in MCI triage people are color coded
    Black = Expectant / Dead
    Red = Critical / Immediate
    Yellow = Delayed
    Green = Walking Wounded / Minor

    Link to the methodology. On scene these decisions are pretty quick, and on to the next patient. As much as it sucks to black tag someone that in a non MCI would be saved however its the nature of the beast when number of patients is greater then the resources at hand.


    This is a pretty new aircraft 2006 with a C/N of 29171 from Boeing with Korean Registration of HL-7742. Its interesting that not but a couple mins after the accident the airframe was listed as struck off.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But that's kind of a no-brainer when your tail's been whacked of & the cabin roof is burned through. They might be able to sell some parts: used, FAA certified, slightly stressed with some smoke damage.
     
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

  6. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I dont think they could anything other then scrap value. Any pictures of the tail or is it in the water?
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member


    Where did you see a report of the airframe being struck? I agree that to much damage happened to repair but surprised anyone already made the call. Getting the jump on the insurance claim?
     
  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There is a piece in the water but hard to tell how big. Vertical stabilizer with part of tail and elevators on land.....in pieces....
     
  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Ill have to look on my phone but it wasnt the FAA site, but a overseas sight.
     
  10. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    http://asms.casa.go.kr/asms_safe/0_1.asp?gotopage=1&block=0 - my phone shows this but now I cant get the page to respond. I guess there getting hammered pretty bad right now.
     
  11. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

  13. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    just comparing from other days flights for OZ and other flights around that time earlier today.
     
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't understand the reports of unaccounted for passengers. Did they just walk away or get transported but not accounted for?
     
  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Read that they did not find bodies in the fuselage.
    Descriptive of impact: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/07/us/san-francisco-plane-crash.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0
    Read elsewhere that the tower was alerted to a problem coming in, contradicting the nyt.
     
  16. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    In scenes like this it maybe 12-24 hours before they can put all the data together to sort everything out, . In a MCI like this patient care is the biggest priority and bio-graphics if you happen to find anything in your secondary or tertiary assessments after all life threats have been handled.

    Language likely played a big factor as add/subtract a letter or hyphen can completely change names. The unaccounted are probably mixed in the red/yellow patients.
     
  17. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I found some of the tower traffic and it is hard to tell. I heard the controller call an emergency from Oz214 but about that time multiple radio calls are ontop of each other and hard to discern.
     
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Just speculating but a very nose high attitude on short final could suggest the flaps were up. Flight data recorder will tell. Hope it survived the crash and fire.
     
  19. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    When I saw the debris, it looked pretty clear that at least the tail, of not the main gear, hit the seawall. I got tired of all the speculation going on among the three news networks, so I just turned it off after a while. But, I gotta' ask: Did Nappy show her ugly face to reassure Americans that it wasn't terrorism?
     
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Finally found a picture of the "debris field" at the seawall. Looks like the tail just barely whacked the seawall, a little more level & they might have made it.

    Asiana debris.jpg
     

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