Asiana Airlines 777 Crash @ SFO

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by RB, Jul 6, 2013.

  1. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Not as of yet but you know fugly will want her time in the spotlight to twist what ever she can to bohica and hood wink the traveling public yet again.
  2. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Landing gear in the water. Extra hard bounce. CSM:
    Especially if they were letting the new guy land it.
    As for Nappy, I count this among the blessings of not having TV.
  3. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    1L&R & 19L&R are reported to be back open at this time.
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Anyone seen signs of the port engine?
    Check picture post #10.
  5. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    I have not, Im hoping it went in the drink and not into the hold or passenger deck.

    In talking to a pilot for local Air-Med service tonight when I dropped off some goodies (Baby Back ribs and peach cobbler) for the crew, he made the comment that the engine on the starboard side may have been the port engine based on how twisted the pylon/nacelle was and wing damage compared the starboard wing. He said the pics online are not that high res so hard to tell.

    media is reporting only 1 unaccounted for as of 1930 hours California time, so thats pretty good, just hoping that it only is the two fatalities from this crash.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Good aerial view of the crash site appears to show the engine about 75' behind & slighly left of the stunted tail, see enlarged screen snag below:

    aviana aerial view.jpg
    aviana engine maybe.jpg
  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Here's a video showing the start of an interview with a teen who was on the plane, at 0:32 (screen snag below) a cop & a handler from United pull him away from the interview:

    At 0:32:

    aviana  - police stop interview.png
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    NTSB inspectors at the plane, from Twitter:

    NTSB 12.jpg NTSB 11.jpg
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    A couple more pictures from Twitter (#Aviana214 & #sfocrash):

    Aviana twitter 11.jpg
    Aviana twitter landing gear.jpg
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    From twitter #asiana214, yes, this definitely is what I'd call "breaking" news. :D

    Aviana breaking news.png
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    From Twitter #asiana214:

    sfbay 5h​
    #Flight214 survivor saw people “fall out” of back of plane #Asiana214 #SFO #PlaneCrash​
    From Twitter #asiana214, here is a picture of the rear pressure bulkhead:​
    Nathan Moeller ‏@AstroN8​
    Update to an earlier tweet - the rear pressure bulkhead was badly damaged in the crash. #AvGeek #SFO #Asiana214​

    aviana rear pressure bulkhead.jpg
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Another view of the missing engine, via Twitter #asiana214:

    And speaking of engines, it's here via Twitter #asiana214:

    Nathan Moeller ‏@AstroN8

    Pic from @CNN - The #1 engine of the wrecked 777 at #SFO is indeed in the debris field. #AvGeek #Asiana214

    aviana engine.jpg
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The reports of people falling out of the rear of the airplane would likely account for video of responders lined up abreast and walking down the debris field. I was wondering what it might have been they were looking for since removal of debris would be prohibited until after investigators arrived on scene.

    Also, I'm not up on modern avionics but I know a lot of planes have GPS systems nowadays. Any idea if they can provide Glide Slope info or is that still provided by the airports ILS/Glide Slope systems.

    I do understand that Glide Slope for this runway was off.

    I just can't understand landing short when weather was CAVU to the moon unless some other mechanical issues were at play. If this was solely pilot error I will be disappointed.
  15. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Good digging Mike.

    Local PD pulling that boy away like that makes one wonder, and will send the conspiracy theorists into a tissey.
  16. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    My very first thought when I hear this was "how long before the word "terrorism" is introduced into the reporting."
  17. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Both flight recorders were recovered and back in DC already according to NTSB.
  18. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Well, you don't need a tin foil hat to wonder what that was all about. What was United doing muzzling some youth at SFO, while stranding their diverted passengers in Sacramento (unlike the other carriers)?

    Asiana probably encouraged by Boeing to publicly announce the plane was no cause. The kid was describing the loss of structural integrity when he was hustled off to the meditation room. Thankfully the plane was intact enough for the doors to open. Thank God they were able to get out before the fire overtook, saving major loss of life.

    Read some blurb about box-cutters being brought to the plane, to get people out of their seats, but haven't read passenger accounts corroborating that, only helping one another out unaided.
  19. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    This is true, they can try and cloak and dagger things but with how fast info gets around (FB, Twitter, Forums, etc) not likely.

    I think what they meant was seat belt cutters which are completely different then box-cutters. Most fire apparatus and EMS units have some form of a seatbelt cutter onboard. Most are a simple hook with a enclosed blade so you don't injure the victim and get them cut loose as quick as possible.

    Personally I carry two different knives with seat belt cutters.
    BlackHawk CQD Mark 1 Type E
    S&W First Response

    I keep a BlackHawk CQD in my visor of my POV, just in case something where to happen(wreck or into the drink) and I need to cut the seatbelt or break glass.
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    There were a couple reports in Twitter from self-proclaimed "travel agents" that pax had reported an explosion in the luggage hold prior to the crash landing.

    My guess is that someone misinterpreted the tail striking the seawall an explosion, and eventually the self-proclaim travel agents were just misunderstanding/enhancing/forwarding rumors.

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