Asiana Airlines 777 Crash @ SFO

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by RB, Jul 6, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I watched live video just after the crash. There was a sea of foam all around the aiplane. Even after the fire was out the foam remained and I recall one video segment of a fire fighter walking through foam over waist deep. I can understand a person collapsing and being covered by the foam. Regardless it is a sad day when anyone dies from a botched landing of a perfectly good airplane. It was the actions of the flight crew who are responsible for the girls death.
  2. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    The poor girl is under the tarp. Is she in the lower picture? The truck was approaching the scene. The foam came later, but hey, whatever, foam up to everyone's eyes--god bless SF and all its selfless public servants at press conferences congratulating themselves for heroism, i.e. doing their jobs.:rolleyes:
    Getting it right makes sense.

  3. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Agree completely, she should have been safely on plane.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Mind boggling it went on-air.
    Asiana is not going after the NTSB for some reason.

    Suing KTVU for the otherwise untarnished reputation of the landing flight crew. A welcome distraction no doubt.
  5. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Korean Pilots Avoided Manual Flying, Former Trainers Say
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Now you see her, now you don't ?


  7. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Wired / Threat Level: Local Newscast Uses DMCA to Erase Air Crash Reporting Blunder (July 22 2013)

    Local San Francisco television news station KTVU has embarked on a novel use of copyright law to cover up embarrassing footage. It has been issuing takedown notices to YouTube for videos showing its anchor literally reading fake names of pilots involved in the recent airline crash at San Francisco International Airport.
    The wrong names of the pilots for Asiana flight 214 that anchor Tori Campbell read on air were “Captain Sum Ting Wong,” Wi Tu Lo,” “Ho Lee Fuk” and “Bang Ding Ow.”
    Some of the YouTube videos, uploaded from last week’s newscast, leave behind a message: “This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by KTVU.”
    While many of the videos of the segment were still live on Google-owned YouTube, the reason why the Fox affiliate has been demanding their removal doesn’t concern copyright.
    “The accidental mistake we made was insensitive and offensive ...

    I would think that people can protest or ignore this removal based on the "fair use" exception allowed by copyright law. The blunder was a news story in & of itself that was worthy of coverage and discussion, especially the larger picture that included the NTSB's verification of the bogus names.
  8. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Bad move on KTVU part as that could boomerang back and bite them in the (expletive deleted) if someone decides to challenge there claim.
  9. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Aren't there legal sanctions for improper for fraudulent use of DMCA?
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Yes, but then you have to sue them. It costs about $10K to get a lawyer to start breathing, and I doubt any would take a case like this on contingency.
  11. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    DMCA and Copyright cases are not a pleasant battle. You only to start that pissing match if you have all your ducks in a row and not afraid to drop both hammers at once.

    I've had to do it twice, both times as soon as the suit walked in and the idiot knew they had lost and begged for mercy.
  12. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    They won't dare go after Google. They'll be buried. It's obvious they only want to cover their huuuuuuuuuge gaffe. How could you be so stupid not to see this when you're making the bullet slides? I guess TV looks only go so far.

    Mike, this was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while, despite being occasioned by a tragedy.

    Ho Li Fuk indeed.
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

  15. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    My guess is that this is getting closer to full story, but isn't there yet, on what really happened to poor 16-year-old Ye Meng Yuan:
    Compared to the photo in post #162? Really? Firemen, not paramedics:
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    No matter how her death happened the true cause of death was poor airmanship on the part of the pilots. Pilots in this country, from recreational pilots to military pilots, are taught to fly the airplane first no matter what else is happening. It is hammered in from the very first day of pilot training. Letting the airplane fly itself is not being a pilot just an attendant.
  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    A flight crew pattern:
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    “John is proposing that Asiana no longer allow novice pilots to land and only have experienced pilots,’’ Johns said. The pilot at the controls of Flight 214 had never flown a Boeing 777 into SFO before and was being supervised by a trainer pilot, federal investigators say.

    The problem is that 777 pilots are all "experienced" pilots in that they have spent thousands of hours sitting in cockpits while automation flies the planes. We need to get these guys out of U.S. airspace until they can actually demonstrate that they know how to fly.

    Martin also wants “to have some other experienced pilot — like an FAA official or a United pilot — on board as well,” Johns said. United Airline is a U.S. partner of Asiana under an international grouping called the Star Alliance.

    Johns said Asiana’s pilots appear to be overly reliant on instrument-guided landings and lack the training to touch down manually. It’s unclear how Flight 214’s pilots were trying to land.
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    (continuing from the same article)
    Oh, boy, more automation!

    With the airport’s instrument landing system out of service for repairs until Aug. 22, Martin said he has reached an agreement with Asiana and the Federal Aviation Administration to allow pilots to rely on a GPS system “as a suitable alternative’’ to help guide their landings.

    I suspect these are RNP (Required Navigation Performance) approaches, which are a good advance, but they still need to have pilots in the cockpits who actually know how to fly the planes when things go south.
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Pilots should manually fly the airplane for landings. These instrument coupled landings have the end result of poor pilot proficiency. I would be interested in how US FAA qualified pilots fly approach and landings. Full auto or actually fly the airplane.

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