Associated Press: EU adopts guidelines on airport body scanners

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in Other Countries' started by Mike, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    AP news wire item out of Brussels ...

    Associated Press: EU adopts guidelines on airport body scanners

    First, the bull:poop::

    Quit throwing money at "potential". That means it doesn't actually work. :D

    But the good parts:

  2. Affection

    Affection Original Member

  3. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Awesome. Now we just need to get MMW shitcanned and EU will be sitting pretty.
  4. Affection

    Affection Original Member

    I liked my thread title better. ;) But you beat me by half an hour. ;)
  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yet another reason why I wish I lived in Europe. (Hubby has both US and EU passports, as well as a much more in-demand profession; I'm working on him.)
  6. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    Poor Chertoff.. :rolleyes:

    While I'm disappointed to see the EU thinking that the scanners lead to less pat-downs, I'm at least glad they added a provision to opt-out.
  7. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    While I'm glad to see a tiny sliver of common sense (not, however, to the point of banning the useless junk), I'm confused by the juxtaposition of these two statements from the article:
    Surely the point of the ATR is to eliminate the secret back room process, but the EU law requires it, even if ATR is used. :confused:

    I'm also curious to see how quickly (if at all) the UK allows opt outs.
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    You mean opt out of the scanners? Not use them at all? I'm not understanding here. The UK has been using the scanners as preliminary screening, forcing everyone to go into them. They'll also have to "update" them by replacing their mostly X-ray units with MMW units.
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The UK is part of the EU. If this EU directive is binding on members, then the UK will have no choice but to allow opt outs.
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I guess I thought the UK often goes its own way. They're still using the pound, right, not the Euro?
  11. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I don't think the UK is forcing everyone through WBI, as is done here in the states. People are "randomly" selected but cannot opt out of that selection.
  12. lkkinetic

    lkkinetic Original Member

    The UK is part of the EU, but not a member of the European Monetary Union (for which at this moment I believe they are exceedingly grateful and congratulate themselves on their foresight ...). Consequently the UK must abide by all of the EU's (IMO excessive, although in the case of the scanners it works to my benefit!) regulations on such things as, say, the definition of chocolate. It also is part of an open labor market and allows those with EU passports into the country without the entry interviews that the rest of us face.
  13. jackonferry

    jackonferry Original Member

    I suspect that this just paves the way for greater use in Europe. Now that they have the regulations figured out, they can implement with abandon.
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  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    The Euro-Zone is only a subset of the EU (17 of 27 members).

    If something is legislated by the EU, the UK has no choice but to comply. The last time I read something on this subject, the EU position was merely a recommendation.
  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It may be a translation thing, but the article calls these things "guidelines" which doesn't bode well for making anyone do anything. But perhaps they are guidelines with teeth-- I hope so.
  16. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    I've been following the UK situation since LHR is a common transfer point for flights between Australia and Europe, and I have a metal hip implant that alarms the WTMD. In LHR and MAN, the body scanners are used for "randomly selected" passengers and (I believe) for people like me who set off the WTMD.

    Reports from our UK-based correspondents indicate that only a small proportion of people are chosen for the body scanners (which is better than the US) but if you're told to go to the scanner, you can't opt out for a "pat" down instead (which is worse than the US). There was a story from about (?) Feb 2010 of two Muslim women who refused the scanner and were not allowed to board their flight.

    If the UK wants to comply with these "rules" or "guidelines" or whatever the legal status is, they'll have to change their procedure to allow individuals to opt out of the scanner. And yes, they'd have to replace the X-ray scanners with MMW. For the reasons described above, I'm interested to see whether they do.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    UK Metro: EU bans 'naked' airport security scanners after cancer fears

    Scrapped at LHR?
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I know they were scrapped in the UK for children, meaning there was such an uproar over the child porn implications that last year the UK decided that kids (I don't remember ages) would no longer go through the scanners. I also remember many people in this country saying that would be the tipping point here. Ha! Don't hold your breath. (I said then and say now.) People are still stuffing their kids through the scanners and into the hands of the gropers, "as long as I get to my flight on time!"
  19. Sky Dancer

    Sky Dancer Original Member

  20. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    I doubt that goober can read. he/she can't read their own info on their own website, doctor's notes, stickers that say "fragile" and so forth.

    Also-see my other thread about the deep denial they wallow in.

    Those articles are good for the us and the public to be educated.
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