ATR is a Failure

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by barbell, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    At ATL currently. Watched the exit of the NoS which has ATR installed. Admittedly a small sample of 3, but there was a 100% failure rate.

    First guy in business attire had his pleats rubbed. Second up was a female who had her bra clasp and hair patted. Third was a guy with glasses. His face was patted.

    Now I know you're wondering if the agents changed their gloves. The answer, of course, is no. Since we are also told that these junkatrons detect explosives it seems odd to me that they weren't swabbing for explosives on these anomalies.
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Didn't the Germans report that one of the issues with WBI false alarms was pleats?

    Actually, patting the face is great 'cause it makes the TSA look even more foolish.
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  3. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    This just makes me want to :td: !! I will never set foot in one of those things, even if they make them mandatory...I will wear a sling, I will play dumb, I will claim medical reasons, whatever it takes to get out of the glove-change-free grope. I will not subject myself to both a strip search AND a patdown with unsanitary blue-gloved hands that have been groping other peoples crotches, wastebands, boobs, and faces. BLECH!
  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    This sort of failure of ATR (Automated Target Recognition), that is, the gingerbread man, has been predicted for some time. Elsewhere on this site I recently saw a post by someone who was apparently a TSO which said that once the ATR alarmed on an area, the whole body grope would have to occur, at least they didn't do that. Still, one can see the worthlessness of the machine which alarms on bra clasps and eyeglasses. (My God, what if you had both! TERROR! TERROR!)
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  5. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    The face thing is really creepy. Adults generally don't let their faces be touched unless by a lover or a child, or someone highly trusted. Same for hair. In any case, the touching of the face and hair is not done by strangers.
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  6. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    There are days I read about this crap and get so infuriated I have to step away and distract myself. It's all so depressing and sickening and I fear getting worse.
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  7. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Yep, you have to distance yourself, and of course, that is what the security state relies upon. You are mortal, you tire, your resources are small. The security state is immortal, it never sleeps (well, there are some individual exceptions) and its resources are infinite.
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Even if ATR is the next big TSA failure I doubt they will admit such.
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  9. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Phrenology! :rolleyes:
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  10. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    As a female who wears tri-focals, hearing aids, and a bra, I would concievably be guaranteed a face, hair, and bra grope. DISGUSTING! :td:
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  11. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    I've had days where I am genuinely scared of going to the airport, and have to try and calm myself down. Even seeing three blue shirted baboons at my gate for ORD-DEN yesterday (thanks service director for telling them to go away) got my heart racing.
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  12. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Meanwhile, as the TSA gropes people, fireworks make it on an airplane in Vegas, probably overlooked or missed because of all the attention needed to assault citizens and search them for the most high tech, improbable, method of attack that could occur. ETD would have found this in a minute. A canine would have found it within seconds of the passenger passing in front of it. Simply unbelievable. :td:

    I am so :mad: at the TSA for this stupid goat-rope. I am ashamed of my government for allowing this $hit to continue. What is it going to take?
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  13. The grotesque absurdity of the face pat is astounding. What do they think they're going to find there?
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  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Ditto! :D
  15. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Terrorists! The both of you, I knew it! I saw something, and now I'm going to say nothing...

    And FriendlySkies, I completely agree. Practically every time I go to the airport now, I can feel my heart race and I break out in a cold sweat. My shirts are literally drenched by the time I get on a plane. Flying used to be fun. Then it became an annoyance with the Shoe Carnival and the War on Water. Now it is literally a terrorizing event.
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  16. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    What you just described is me every time - sick feeling in my stomach, anxiety and fear just so I can do my job.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That "feeling" was why a bit over a year ago we canceled all trips that were discretionary. We stopped it all a few months later when my wife got groped.

    I actually enjoyed the rat race of getting from home to airport to airport to destination, etc., and seeing the world & country on the cheapest tickets we could muster -- brunch in Frankfurt, weekends in Berlin & Sydney. It was the behavior & attitude of TSA that ruined it for us. The world is a very friendly place, except for the minions in the U.S.A.

    It wasn't costing us all that much either For the domestic side of it, we mastered the art of flying free on Southwest via bump vouchers -- I maintained CP status & we paid for no tickets for two years!!! For us even free travel wasn't worth the increasingly unpleasant encounters with TSA.
  18. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    If you're going to quote, quote accurately. That's not what was said.

    But if I've disrupted your little rhetoric, then I apologize. But please arm yourself with some facts.
  19. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Please correct me if I am wrong. It was my understanding the failure to clear the Chertoffomizer triggered a full-body search, even if it was item such as a penny in a pocket, and that the disadvantage of ATR was that there would be no human looking at the image of the penny to make a judgment call as to whether a such a search was necessary.
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  20. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    where did you get the full body grope from ATR use? just the area of the anomaly is groped. according to either bart or sattso.
    we'll have to see how atr is turning out. perhaps they can update software as needed to fix some of the issues reported.

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