Awww, No More Puppy Posts

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Elizabeth Conley, Nov 19, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Bummer, that leaves roughly 2500 9/11 casualties not honored by having a designated TSA pooch. Ruff ruck!

    I just love how some people are whining about the loss of this program, when it sounds as though the military has a virtually identical program (also at Lackland AFB) that can produce pooches for TSA.
     
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  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I've observed that the lives of these working dogs are often unpleasant. Their "trainers" and "handlers" are often psychologically unfit for the role. These animals are frequently abused and neglected, often to death.


    I don't have the same warm and fuzzy for these programs I once had. Putting helpless dogs at the mercy of sociopaths doesn't make sense to me.
     
  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Most of the dog handlers I have met have pretty strong bonds with their K9s, and they become a part of the family unit in many cases. While I have been led to understand by some training programs, this creates a less positive working relationship between the handler and their K9, one of the trainers I respect the most believes otherwise as long as the handler maintains their "alpha" role well (this does not mean abusing the dog or mistreating it, in most cases simple exertion of dominance through non-violent methods works just as well. Many private training services preach this approach as well. I understand that some handlers are wrong for the position, but most of them in my experience are better to their dogs than most other dog owners I know.
     
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I've seen both types. From my observation it's about 50/50. The bad half don't abuse their dogs openly, and aren't dog savy enough to know their dog's body language is telegraphing the unseen abuse to observers. Personality screening and a "1 strike and you're out" policy would work wonders.

    PS: Most animal abusers claim to "love" animals. They shed all kinds of crocodile tears when their victims die or are rescued by authorities. It's hard to figure out who they're trying to fool. Themselves perhaps?
     
  6. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can't argue with that. I am in favor of a one strike rule right there with you.
     
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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    So... after the personality screening of "willing to work for the TSA," there wouldn't be any handlers at all?
     
  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I dunno. I'm convinced that good people can end up in pretty awful jobs for all kinds of reasons.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    ...and I'm convinced that TSA "jobs" are deliberately attractive to awful people.
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Well yeah, 50/50.
     
  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    A Dallas cop I know left his partner locked in the squad car on a summer day. The K9 didn't make it. I don't trust handlers past my direct field of vision.
     
  12. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can't fault that line of thinking, especially if you have had bad expereinces, or witnessed mistreatment. Luckily, I have not been faced with that situation, as pointed out above, you can tell when certain dogs have been mistreated by their reactions to certain stimuli.
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I don't trust TSA "workers" even when I'm able to keep a direct eye on them. Given what they're willing to do to people, I can only imagine what they might do to animals.
     
  14. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    That happens a lot more often than is generally known.

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/lo...-leave-after-2-police-dogs-die-in-3737733.php

    K9 "officers" abuse their working dogs in ways ordinary citizens would be prosecuted severely for. The animals often don't make it. Still, these bozos will tell you they "love" their "partners." Whatever. Just quit beating them, kicking them, starving them and exposing them to intolerable heat.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Absolutely. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/20120711arizona-officer-forgets-police-k9-dog-car.html

    Which does nothing to indicate how much worse things could be if the TSA were keeping their animals in vehicles all day.
     

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