Backpacks - The Next Threat

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FriendlySkies, Sep 18, 2011.

  1. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    As I usually do on the weekends, I drove out to MCI on Friday for a quick visit to some family near RDU. It wasn't enough that they were re-running almost all bags at the US :)eek:) checkpoint, they decided to do a "random" check at our gate. Now I'm not sure if this is because our flight was continuing on to DCA, after getting to CLT, or if they were just trying to stay busy.

    The boarding process commenced, and as I am only Star Gold, and not elite on US, I had to wait until they called zone 1. This gave me about three-four minutes to watch the clerks selecting bags to check. And wouldn't you know, they only searched the people who had backpacks. I've never been grabbed for a gate check (whew), but this seemed to be my lucky day. With just my NorthFace backpack, I was "directed" to the table for additional screening. Here's how it went:

    Clerk: I'd like to take a look inside your bag

    FS: Why?

    Clerk: It's for your safety

    FS: :rolleyes: (thinking to myself what a load of bs this process is)

    FS: Set's bag down on the table. "Change your gloves"

    Clerk: Oooo-kay.....

    FS: While clerk 1 is searching, I say to clerk 2 (So, why are you guys doing this extra screening?

    Clerk: It's just for your safety :)

    FS: Oh, I guess management must not trust that you'll catch things during the x-ray search.

    Clerk: Struggling for words.

    At that point, I got my bag back (they only unzipped the compartments, but did not look inside. A pretty half-assed search. I could have had a hatchet, 9mm, or bomb in my bag, and they'd have missed it... :rolleyes:

    Why do we continue to waste money paying the clerks to do this idiotic search?!
     
  2. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    More useless waste from the smurfs.

    Yet another reason for keeping sunglasses on and earbuds in as to do that BS that would require they physically touch grab me at that point it's downhill for them and real badges with guns and possibly medics will be called. A criminal complaint would be filed and a request for the offender to go to jail if they don't need a trip to the hospital first. To date never been grabbed on a gate check so this technique has worked very well so far.


    The first "it's for your security" I would have called "(expletive deleted)" and told them to "spill the reason why for the extra harassment, as TSA provides neither safety nor security; only lies, theater and criminal activity".
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It's a fine line between protest & disorderly conduct. Let people do what they're comfortable with.

    15 years after the Olympic Park bombing, have they finally figured out that backpacks can explode? The cursory search would have missed your pipe bomb.

    The most interesting thing about the Olympic Park bombing was how the FBI tried to blame it on the guy (Richard Jewell) who found the backpack. :rolleyes: Heck with "see something, say something", the guy who knew which was was up was Sgt. Schulz: "I see nothing."
     
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  4. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Mike I know it's a fine line and I've run that blade before and knock on wood have yet to fall off on the wrong side. TSA just needs to be destoryed as it's a solution looking for a problem and it's a solution we don't need.
     
  5. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    There is a logical disconnect in the "its for your safety" explanation. How is it for your safety, like you wouldn't know you had a bomb in there?

    The only realistic explanation to me is that they are looking for drugs. Even cash shows up in the X-ray images. Since drug interdiction is not within their mission, i.e. airline security, they have no basis for the search and a 4th Amendment (ha-ha) complaint might apply.

    Everyone knows that real drug smugglers bribe TSA clerks and get their drugs escorted through. The only folks they are "catching" are users or ordinary citizens with prescriptions.

    I'd file a complaint just for laughs charging that the search was illegal since no weapons were found and thus for other items that were outside their purview. Waste of time but may be a good venting exercise.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Power and control. Power and control. The more they do it, the more places, the more often, the more people grow accustomed to it, the more they get away with it. And the more it will show up in other venues. NY subway, DC Metro, Philly/Boston streets, etc. Coming To A Venue Near You. (That, and looking for drugs.)

    Illegal, illegal, illegal. And no end in sight.
     
  7. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    I've considered going to the bank and getting a small stack on money. Would love to see what the clerks would do when they found it.
     
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  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Harass and detain you. As they've done to several people whose accounts are in my Master List.
     
  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    did they physically search your person? I'm under the impression that they've stopped doing that at the gate, or toned it down, ie, no crotch searches.
     
  10. FriendlySkies

    FriendlySkies Member

    No, this was just a bag "glance". I'll post a photo of the bag later today. All she did was look in the laptop compartment, open the main one, and then close them up. Nothing was taken out.
     
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  11. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    I've already had problems traveling with a bag of epsom salt. The clerk thought it was cocaine. I asked her how one would snort a line of rocks that size up their nose. Good grief these people are morons.
     
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Find a really devalued currency and make it a big stack. Something that looks like a major wad of cash, but amounts to less than $10 after exchange.
     
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  13. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    You're lucky you weren't stripped searched in a crummy little jail cell, because "it's for your safety" is exactly what they told Shoshana Hebshi when they did that to her.
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    and hear the same crock of cr*p that we're hearing now, that "different protocols regarding strip search" are in effect because it's an airport.... I swear to g-d it's disgusting to hear them just make this stuff up. As if by asserting that they make it a whit less disgusting, violent, and demanding of redress. They are doing things that are gutting any respect at all for law.
     
  15. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Do not conflate what the TSA does with law enforcement. The TSA is simply dropping any pretense that they're interested in rules of law, and making "stuff" up on the fly that they think makes them look like they've got authority when it fact makes them look like the clownish thugs they really are.
     
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I agree. We have a federal agency claiming they can do anything to us, no matter how depraved, invasive and just plain wrong. They steal from us and fence our possessions openly in a state run shop in Texas. (That one just blows my mind!) They assault us and root through our possessions and private papers. They ask us questions no American should have to answer. Our corrupt judges agree that the TSA's assaults on our persons are "reasonable!" That last bit really does gut any and all respect for the law. When a judge rules so ridiculously, the entire legal system is in jeopardy.

    This can't continue. It just can't. The TSA has got to go - lock, stock and barrel.
     
  17. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Or, in as the case of Hebshi, our private p**pers as well....
     
  18. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Based on the way the FBI and Frontier tried to immediately distance themselves from Ms. Hebshi's case I imagine someone is on the hook big time. The airport police and TSA clammed up right away, so they are the guilty parties. I expect they will try to settle as quietly as possible.
     
  19. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Big (expletive deleted) surprise that TSA would botch something so simple.

    This nonsense has got to stop.
     
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  20. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    TSA and the safety at any cost folks are close to murdering someone in the 'over abundance of security' witch hunt they're conducting.
     
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