Bad Brakes? TU-204 Crash

Discussion in 'Other Aspects of Aviation Security' started by KrazyKat, Dec 30, 2012.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Video of Red Wings Tupolev-204 crashing into roadway beyond Moscow runway. They had warning:
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Same airline for both accidents, little damage other than the tires for the first one. Guess they didn't hear the wake up call so the Supreme Being decided to send a stronger message.

    Once they repair the aircraft damaged on Dec. 20, they'll still have several TU-204's to trash.

    Their sister airline (Blue Wings) based in Germany just went belly up, regulators should probably be taking a real close look at Red Wings.
  3. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    awful thing to see. poor pilots betrayed by their management and ground crew.
  4. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Empty of passengers, thankfully. The 204 replaced Tupolev's "Flying Coffin"-- so, such betrayal is probably well-worn.
    It does make me grateful for the FAA, and US industry responses to such service warnings, dysfunctional as they may be in so many other respects.
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Latest reports are indicating crew error.

    There might have been nothing for the ground crews to do at this point. Rosaviation (Russian equivalent of our FAA) had requested guidance from the Tupelov design bureau after the earlier incident and was awaiting a response from Tupelov.

    The TU-204 is fairly modern, with most variants having western avionics and Rolls Royce engines. Red Wing was flying the oldest variant with Russian avionics & engines & CVD.
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Their State officials always blame the pilot, after countless catastophes.
    Seems like the plane, which had carried their national soccer team in the past, had no reverse thrust. Last serviced in Nov; brake issue in Dec. Accounts say it did not overshoot the landing area.

    While perfectly good planes are mothballed in the Mojave, former Sovs and others are flying in State-sanctioned death traps.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The airplanes I have been around have all had brake systems that rarely needed any maintenance. Brake failure is extremely rare. Having non functional thrust reversers would make stopping distances much greater and the load on the brakes high. Poor pilot technique in such a situation could easily account for running off the runway.

    If the accident investigation is honest and the real causes for the incident are published we may know what happened. If the investigation attempts to move blame then we may never know the whole truth.
  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    That's not all that unreasonable. Most crashes ARE due to pilot error. There often are mechanical complications, but they are almost always issues that can be flown through if the crew is competent and properly trained.

    The airline & aircraft type involved in the latest crash are allowed to fly in/out of the EU, whose standards are just as stringent as the U.S.

    In the U.S. I can only think of three airliner crashes in the last 20 years that were not due to pilot error, the last one occurring in 2000.

    Also note that Soviet airlines today are buying Boeings & Airbii. The Russian crew that said a drunk pilot was no big deal ('cause this airplane can itself :D) < 4 years ago was flying a 767.
  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    e.g. landing long on the runway and not noticing until it's too late to go around. AF wrecked an A-340 that way at Toronto.
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    It is almost always a combination of factors that result in aircraft accidents. Parts failure, poor maintenace, weather all alone or coupled with a touch of pilot error can play havoc with airplanes.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Those other factors are rarely fatal by themselves. When a crash occurs, it's almost always because the crew made mistakes.

    AF 447 (A-330) crashed after pitot tubes froze up and the autopilot system disengaged and went into what Airbus calls "alternate law". One mistake led to another until the plane stalled and literally fell from the sky.

    A similar situation in a NW A-330 around the same time was mostly uneventful. The crew simply set the throttles at the manufacturer-mandated % of maximum and flew through it.

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