Baltimore Sun's Michael Dresser TSA Apologist - Again

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Lisa Simeone, Aug 13, 2011.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Pshaw, TSA is the only profession that controls access to aircraft. My question is what is TSA doing about the possibility.
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    These are American citizens you are screening. So, yes, they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Just as we live with the possibility of rogue screeners who have let packages by (thankfully, only drugs or money so far), the possibility of unscreened and rogue airport workers putting in bombs unsupervised in aircraft cargo bays, many of whom are of Middle Eastern descent, just like we put up with that risk, YOU people can put up with the risk of something as small as a BRA CLASP. Your willingness to subject American citizens travelling on business and on their own affairs to this gross stripping and pawing over, to make them prove they have nothing on them disgusts me.

    I twist nothing. I just point out the ludicrous nature of your own words. It is you and your agency that have twisted the nature of our laws. WE should be screened as WE have accepted, as it is our country, and our agreement under the Constitution forbids what you are doing. NOT as you have imposed. How did we possibly live all that time before October 2010? And all of a sudden, we are exposing ourselves to sudden death by not letting you *ssholes paw us and peep us in any damn way YOU desire? Who is twisted in this?
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  3. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I can see that this conversation is going to deteriorate pretty quickly.

    I don't want TSOs patting people down just because the AIT machine triggered off of the bra clasp. The advantage to having someone look at the actual images is that they can determine that it's only a bra clasp and NOT call it an alarm. The ATR removes the officer from the viewing room and there's no telling why the machine alarmed. The TSO has no choice but to pat the area down. I can't explain it any plainer than that.

    Personally, I would rather not touch you. I get no joy out of touching people. I want to help you get through the process with as little hassle as possible. I want to tell you whatever I can to help you reduce the chances of causing an alarm. But if you do set off an alarm, I have a job to do.

    Thanks for the lecture on the Constitution. I swore to uphold it. The first time I did it, I was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the US Army. The second time I did it, I was hired as a Transportation Security Screener with the TSA. Between those two times, I sometimes served in foreign lands where people got to launch bullets in my direction (and I had to make sure all of the ROE conditions were met before I got to shoot back). I helped evacuate political prisoners, helped rescue stranded Americans and ran operations against oppressive regimes like the Soviet Union, East Germans, North Koreans, Cubans and other countries with interests inimical to the United States. But it seems that I need to hear your blabbing before I can get a true appreciation of what it's like to be oppressed and really live in fear of a government's oppression.

    OK. I think I got it, cupcake.
  4. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    However, your agency claims that only 3% of passengers receive pat downs, so record keeping should not be a huge imposition. (There is already record-keeping for the private room pat downs.) As Cartoon Peril suggested, there is digital record-keeping; it's done in hospitals every single day. Most likely no narrative needed, just enter name of screener (or employee number), and select from a choice of options.
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  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Bart, keep yourself under control. All you succeed in doing with your name calling is to reinforce the bad feelings so many have about the TSA and its employees.
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  6. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    The suggestion was that TSA keep track of each and every pat down with details such as the TSO's name, age of the passenger, gender, time, cause of alarm, etc. Sorry, but that's not practical. And I'm surprised that none of the fellow forum members jumped in on this: but I truly don't see very many people patiently waiting for the TSO to complete this form, digital or not, once the screening is completed. People want to get the heck out of there as soon as they're finished.

    What TSA currently tracks are just the numbers of opt-outs. No names, no details other than hourly windows (example: between 10 am and 11 am there were 2 opt-outs). These are tick marks on a piece of paper that are later entered into the statistical data. (When I was a private screener, we didn't track anything other than calibrating the WTMDs, ETDs and X-ray machines. Government surely loves crunching numbers!)
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  7. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Aw, c'mon now, don't go FT on me! :eek:
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    12 hours ago you wrote:

    Name-calling is a personal attack and in those same 12 hours, you've called two posters "snake" or "cupcake." Practice what you preach, Bart, you'll get a lot more respect.
  9. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    I truly do not consider cupcake and snake as name-calling. But if you want to obsess over that, have fun doing it.
  10. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    What Bart is saying is the stick-figure machines are going to do the thinking for the perv in the box, and aren't going to do it very well. Consequently, because the perv outside the box doing the groping is too ill-trained to be able to see whether the machine has made an error, there will be a whole lot more gropes. Hence a penny in a pocket will require our friends the Transportation Security Officer to grope the penis and testicles, which Bart assures us, they don't enjoy doing, so that should make you feel better.

    I say "good". The more groping the better, as it means that people will start to notice the stink from this rancid carcass of an agency.
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  11. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    You know, I am starting to think we do not speak the same language.
  12. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    People should not be screened.

    People should be given the benefit of the doubt rather than screened.

    Welcome to the United States. We have a Bill of Rights incorporated into our Constitution. We have government "by the people, for the people."

    We the people are not subjects, we are fully enfranchised stakeholders in our nation. We are the true power in the United States.

    We will not put up with the mismanagement of our nation indefinitely.
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  13. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    And here I thought this site was different than that other place. :rolleyes:
  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    When you were in the Army, did you address colonels as "snake"? If you are ever in court, say that to the judge, or actually, to anyone, and let me know how that works out for you.
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  15. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Bolding mine: So, you are comparing airline passengers to prisoners now...okey dokey, cupcake. I guess we know where we stand now. We are no longer paying customers, but prisoners that are not to be trusted not to bring weapons on board an aircraft. Great. F**king great!
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  16. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    OK. Got it. I understand your point.

    Unfortunately, 9-11 changed all of that. The real question, to me, is how far is too far. Your point is that even a little bit is too much. We will always disagree when it comes to discussions about airport security screening.
  17. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    Yup. Certainly did. It was a term of respect. Then again, I was in a very unique part of the Army.

    As for testifying in court, they have their rules, and I would be dumb to intentionally violate them. However, I learned how to handle lawyers.

    "Isn't it true that marijuana smells like burning rope?"

    "No, sir, burning rope smells like burning rope, burning marijuana smells like burning marijuana."

    EDITED TO ADD: For what it's worth, I spent my last two tours of duty in the regular "conventional" Army, and had to make a lot of cultural adjustments from the "unconventional" that I was so accustomed to. Even so, I still think you and others are being way too sensitive over my use of the words snake, cupcake, sport, ace and pal. I am truly puzzled how the use of those words could be construed as personal attacks. If I called you an ignorant, stupid-looking, sore-kneed SOB, then, yeah, that's a personal attack.

    If y'all are striving to be different than FlyerTalk, prove it. I'm still the same ol' Bart and was invited over here because I was told y'all aren't so sensitive and we could exchange more openly without fear of reprisals like those overly-sensitive mods at that other place.

    Not convinced yet.
  18. Bart

    Bart Original Member

    If you want to believe that, please be my guest. I was referring to finding concealed items, and searching prisoners certainly offers a lot of practical experience for the many different ways items can be smuggled.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Didn't say you did. But you claim that WBI can see virtually everything under clothing even bra straps or sheet explosives, so I was asking you to use your experience and knowledge to suggest how such an event happened.

    Either the WBI machines work or they don't work and the DFW testing suggest they don't work.
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I understand the issues with keeping records but not one tree would need to be killed to do so and from my observations there are plenty of TSA employees standing around doing nothing to create these records.

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