BART launches "bold" new anti-terrorism awareness campaign

Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by Lisa Simeone, Sep 12, 2011.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    BART launches "bold" new anti-terrorism awareness campaign
    Once again, the eyes have it!
    "Words we probably wouldn't have used several years ago." Speaks volumes.
    Yeah, like when they cut off cellphone service.
     
  2. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    There have been train attacks in multiple countries, and it's reasonable for precautions to be taken. Problem is that BART blew its credibility when it started treating protests as terrorism. This is a serious problem, because when terrorism gets defined down, real terrorism benefits because it gets lost in the shuffle.
     
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  3. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think we've all known for a long time -- even before the Madrid bombing -- that trains are vulnerable. So are thousands of other places. I should say those of us who aren't obsessed with airports and planes know this (that cuts out half the population). We also know we can't protect ourselves against everything all the time. If DHS/TSA succeeds in taking over train stations, subways, bus terminals, ferries, etc. (yes, I know, they're already trying), we're screwed.

    I'm willing to take my chance at being blown up, just like I'm willing to take my chance every time I cross the street, get in a car, ride a bike, take the stairs, eat something new, wake up in the morning. That's life. As opposed to what the TSA and its apologists are doing to this country, which is death.
     
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  4. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    At some point one has to stop being afraid. I saw that the FIDO ETD were used at the July 4, 2006 celebrations randomly and on "suspicious" visitors by the NPS police, who only admitted people to the national mall via security lanes. Okay, maybe that was a special situation. But when you start adding up all the special situations, it turns out to be quite a lot. Even the simple things are made difficult by this "anti-terror". Just try to open a bank account these days, order new checks, or get a driver's license. All much much more difficult now. So while each intrusion seems small, the overall effect is great, and it goes far beyond the airport.
     
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  5. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This is precisely the point. And what the naysayers refuse to acknowledge.
     
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  6. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    Nazi Germany had lots of security for railways. How much rail traffic was disrupted by partisans? I only point to Nazi Germany as a authoritarian government who was unable to protect their railways against a determined foe.
     
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Speaking of Nazis . . . I didn't know quite where to post this discussion that I thought several of you, especially Mike, might be interested in, so I'll post it here. It's a discussion going on at an anarchist blog I often read, hosted by a friend of mine, Crispin Sartwell (who, I'll warn you, can be maddeningly contrarian just for the sake of being contrarian). But lots of good info is often there, many diverse commenters, I've learned a lot by reading it. Blog is called Eye of the Storm. Here's the current kerfuffle:

     
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  8. AngryMiller

    AngryMiller Original Member

    B.A.R.T. New motto? Fear us.
     
  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Im still waiting for the FCC to come down on BART for blatant violations of federal law.
     
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  10. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    my comment would be fear this </\>
     
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  11. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I'm sorry. I know I'm hopelessly out of it. What does that symbol mean?
     
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    that would be the symbol for the giving someone the bird/middle finger
     
  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Aha!
     
  14. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Well, don't put your life on hold.
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    It takes time, but it will happen.

    In the end MASSPORT got whacked for trying to block wi-fi when they weren't getting a cut of the action.
     
  16. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    This is about the bold new police state: http://www.sfbg.com/2011/09/13/cops-go-after-press
    At the last BART protest BART police started arresting people in station areas BART had specifically said were OK for protest (in the station, in the non-paid area, away from the trains).
    And then police took away press credentials!
     
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    sounds as though the BART police are badly in need of an overhaul
     
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  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    This is disgusting.
     
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  19. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I thought this part was especially frightening--which I suppose was their intent:
    There is a big emphasis on message control as opposed to "safety." There is another story about the public money that's been spent on things like trying to bus in people to complain on-camera about being inconvenienced--that idea by the same one who suggested the cell cut-off.http://baycitizen.us1.list-manage.c...ad3a16791902ca50f7&id=5e60e5f64c&e=f6a8ce4031
     
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But we can't use the "p" word! Heaven forfend! :eek:
     

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