Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by KrazyKat, Nov 26, 2011.
The report out of Chicago, day before Thanksgiving:
KrazyKat, where is this comment from?
A personally reported first-hand account, thus quoted.
Amtrak's own use canine patrols, which seems to work out fine.
please don't tease....I'm dying to hear more about the CHicago story, TSA getting frogmarched.
just came back from a pacific northwest (I-5) car trip for thanksgiving. Nobody on the roads either. Unreal. It looks like if people traveled, they went amtrak...
OK, now I know a bit more.
Amtrak's total counts for Union Station were 40% NEW riders. Never been on Amtrak before in their lives.
Of my friend's very small sample, 30% were first time riders and all said TSA was why.
Link? I'd love to read Amtrak's actual stats.
TSA showed up Tuesday. Amtrak Police Chief went over and asked them what in the h*%% they were doing. Replied that they came to setup checks of passenger luggage (for the biggest travel day of the year). Chief told them to scram, that they had matters well in hand.
All I can find are year-end data for the fiscal year, which was good:
"8 of the last 9 years" = post TSA
During the same time period 3 legacy airlines & Frontier survived bankruptcy, ATA was liquidated.
Thanks, that story made my day...
I hope this made the news somewhere. Haven't found a link anywhere else yet.
These should be available this week, as press releases.
It gets better. More detail:
The day of, not before, the huge anticipated crush of Wednesday Thanksgiving travelers, TSA shows up unannounced and starts to set up inside Union Station.
Amtrak senior staffer sees TSA agents on the floor. Goes upstairs, asks a colleague:
"What's going on? There are TSA down there."
"Not for long."
Chief goes down, "What are you doing?"
"We're setting up surveillance."
"No. You don't have jurisdiction."
"No, I insist. You're leaving the building."
Amtrak security are there to help escort TSA off the premises.
I LOVE IT!! A great big WHOOP, WHOOP, WHOOP for the chief who opened up that can o' whoop-(expletive deleted) on the TSA!
amen! a big can o' whoop *ss. This probably should send a message to those clowns at TSA HQ. They have reached "resistance" at last. If I were them, I'd be wondering about this. A 'one-off", John? Or maybe it portends the end of you folks and your sorry, anti American, anti Constitutional behavior.
Yes, a small glimmer of hope. But it's still early days. Give the thugs time. Sooner or later, they'll be as prevalent at train stations, bus stations, subways (where they already operate) as they are at airports. One false flag operation, that's all it would take, one false flag.
Mostly turf war.
Amtrak is also a quasi-non-profit, so it does not recognize any Federal chain (certainly through) TSA-- they have their own Federalized officers. Amtrak has their own version of a marshal's service and police. They conduct their canine-checks, and it works. So TSA is redundant.
They do have restrictions on photography. What distinguishes Amtrak is having a "philosophy of customer-oriented policing." While the blue gloves were doing their probing and humiliation of passengers, Amtrak was ushering patrons to trains serving turkey and pumpkin pie. Take your pick.
What galls Amtrak is TSA coming into their facilities unannounced, no-cooperation or communication whatsoever. If there is no cooperation, then there is no cooperation.
The difference in Chicago (not only b/c it is incredibly stupid to ad hoc disrupt the already massive logistical challenge of moving that volume of Thanksgiving travelers) is that Amtrak authorities on-site have cojones. Union Station is not the Weenie Hut. TSA Chief O'Connor may have their back, but local experiences may vary.
They also stood up to the border patrol a while back by ordering a train to get underway before CPB was finished harassing their passengers. CBP greatly scaled back on their harassment of Amtrak passengers after that incident.
That is awesome!
And thanks to you for linking the remarks in post #13 to FT.
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