Biggest ridership in AMTRAK history

Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by KrazyKat, Nov 26, 2011.

  1. Susan Barretta

    Susan Barretta Original Member

    Hello everybody, long time lurker. Thanks very much for your focused efforts on monitoring the activities of DHS/TSA.

    I am grateful the Amtrak Police Chief in Chicago told TSA to scram. But the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. Amtrak police have a website, and they are working hand in hand with DHS:
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  2. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    I'm going to do it as often as I can. ;)
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  3. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Welcome aboard! :)
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Welcome to TUG! I know you probably get this all the time, but your last name brings back fond memories of the firing range....
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  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    I wonder if this award might be rescinded after recent events. ;)
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Here's that link, bolding mine:
    I'm at Union Station often. All I can say is that I've never seen any of these searches. And if I do, well, over my dead body.
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  7. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Imagine professional policing that isn't about abuse and humiliation of passengers. No gauntlet of clerks with badges.
    Imagine if "random" meant (actually numerically) random, not some creep giving you the up-and-down and deciding they wanted a feel before boarding.

    You haven't seen such searches because they are rare. Luggage (only), not breasts and other body parts.
    No stasi assumption that everyone is a criminal.
  8. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I don't care that they "only" want to search bags. And I don't care how "random" the searches are. Nobody's searching my bag.
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  9. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    as long as you're prepared to not ride that particular train or if on the train are prepared to depart at the next stop. amtrak has had those provisions long before tsa got involved.
    I think I'd hold out for an amtrak employee to do the bag search and not the tsa/vipr thugs. a concession for amtrak travel only. for local commuter trains/transit, screw em, no bag checks. Easy to get around.
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  10. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    So... has anyone heard any air travel statistics about this last Thanksgiving? Usually the news sites are all over themselves saying 'largest crowds ever' and I haven't seen any travel numbers at all. I noticed several stock photos being used too.

    Could the numbers be lower than the -2%
  11. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    Down 2% sounds about right if you believe the Air Transport Association saying 37,000 fewer passengers. Another positive is the media noting that full flights are a reflection of reduced capacity, not more travelers.
  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member News...k sets Thanksgiving week record.aspx#comments

    I'm going to have to use a quote I got someplace else 'cause even though I registered for the website, I still cannot access the articles without subscribing to the magazine.

  13. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    Those numbers are a direct reflection on TSA. As are the numbers of people who decided not to travel at all, who DID travel a year ago. This is indeed hurting the airlines. A 2.2 percent drop in airline traffic is huge, that's what 15 million trips not taken (if 2.2 drop from 750 million trips). That means aircraft purchased being parked and not being paid for by passengers, but siphoned off the airlines bottom line. Since the TSA continues to abuse people, they continue to cease flying. I'd look for another substantial drop over the next year. Over and above economic conditions, which serve to magnify the negative effect of TSA procedures.
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So while the airlines are languishing, Amtrak sets records 2 years in a row.

    Now if only there were similar figures available for automobile traffic.
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  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Bad logic -- a 2.2% increase in train traffic does not mean a 2.2% decrease in airline traffic.
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The quicker TSA destroys the airlines business the better.
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  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I don't want to see them destroyed, just screaming in agony loud enough that something is finally done about TSA.

    There are other articles about the Amtrak ridership levels on Thanksgiving, here's the WaPo version:

    Washington Post: Amtrak sets Thanksgiving ridership record
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I was not equating those two, as I do know the difference in scale here, since Amtrak traffic is in the tens of millions of pax and air pax is in the hundreds of millions. The 2.2 drop in air traffic is a number floating around from the decrease in AIR traffic at Thanksgiving. It remains to be seen whether this drop continues...
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I think it will take some airline company failures before the remaining viable airlines realize they have to take action.
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  20. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    Wouldn't they just ask for (another) bailout, then "reorganized" so the top tier of executives get bonuses? I mean, as long as they get their money, those in position to say anything on our behalf probably won't.

    (Sorry, sorry I have dear friends and family that work for the lower end of the airline, they got screwed in the last mess.)

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