Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FliesWay2Much, May 25, 2012.
Especially if it were a permanent reassignment.
If you guys want to assist me in a little project send an email or post on the TSA Blog asking Herr Blogdad Bob where he and TSA derives the authority to engage in suppression of speech and/or what legal ruling are they using that authorizes TSA to ignore the First Amendment on the TSA Blog, a taxpayer funded operation.
Funny you should mention that. I worked both Gustav and Ike in 2008 both as a state (Gustav) and federal (Ike) asset... That was the biggest Charlie Foxtrot I have ever witnessed in my Life, not to mention the closest I have come to killing someone ever. In both cases TSA acted like they were large and in charge and were a severe hindrance to operations. They also got there just deserts for sticking their asses where they didn’t belong.
First deployment began one was a week prior to landfall of Gustav and 2 weeks after and in 3 weeks covered some 9000 miles. I was a member of a 10 ambulance strike, comprised of members of several local Dallas/Ft Worth area fire departments, and Critical Care Transport agencies. Had a run-in with TSA smurfs going through our trucks at a resupply point; obviously looking for the good stuff (where have we seen this pattern before). Smurfs were removed with force and had to be rescued by Texas Rangers, before a gene pool removal protocol was initiated.
Second one was on a federal team at the medical BOO (base of operations). TSA personnel were assigned to assist with triage (IE get name, DOB, history, meds and allergies….thats it), but took that to be that they were in-charge (big mistake) of everything. Even took over dispensing of ice, which ended badly as that’s the last thing you want to mess with at a BOO is the ice supply. What brought everything to a head is when one smurf walked in on a command briefing and said “What do you think you’re doing I’m in charge here”. That went over like a (expletive deleted) in the punch bowel. The DMAT team commander (who looks and same temperament as R Lee Ermey) grabbed the smurf by the collar and removed him from the command post calling for his chief of security for expedited removal. The smurfs weren’t even there 2 hours before they were all removed and told in no certain terms if they returned they would learn the meaning of “silent as the grave”.
It sounds like both were badly handled based on your account. I know of folks that went to the Katrina deployment that were involved in working in the airport while the locals evacuated their families (or battened down their hatches), then in the immediate aftermath, they were assisting in getting the folks centralized for relief efforts and handing out water and MREs to those that had no where to go. There was also a couple of side jobs assisting with sandbags around certain "critical infrastructure" locations, but that was only a couple of hours each time from what I understand. The ones I talked to about it, said that it was nice to just help the people that were in such rough shape - nothing about power struggles or arguments with other personnel - they just simply went to help and did so. None of those folks were in any kind of position of authority, so their participation may have been different than the personnel you were around.
This firsthand report was exactly why I was ready to do the same thing to Blogdad Bob. The ONLY thing they should be doing is to make sure that evacuees and first-responders get in & out of airports in the affected area as quickly and as efficiently as possible -- period. They were very lucky that Fugate wasn't in charge of FEMA back then. I guarantee that Pissy would be thrown out on his ear if this crap happened on Craig's watch.
I would do it if I could get a comment published there. But since I can't, I'll have to leave it to others.
You could send an email here:
I guess I shouldn't be surprised at any of this, but I am.
Were these the run-of-the-mill screener types we see at the airports or were they supposedly trained differently in order to 'help' in situations like these?
I'm sure our estimable TSA shills will have the answer.
But will it be a lie, or just wrong, or both?
We only have one left. The others have all flamed out.
Agreed...DHS needs to be killed and buried and all agencies that got rolled into it moved back to where they were before DHS. The charlie foxtrot that was Katrina is largely the fault of DHS and its BS and back (expletive deleted) wards way of doing everything.
Well Disaster Team IDs seem to be a sticking point as I cant even count the number of times my disaster team ID has been challenged or called a fake and I had to publicly embarrass a TDC and or their supervisor in front of hundreds of passengers. If this is how there going to act with one ID, how are they going to react when 20-50K disaster responders start filtering through the countries airports on priority orders. Then again a lot of the disaster teams are hitching rides on military aircraft being used to move there supplies and gear to avoid the hassle and delays of TSA.
Well consider the smurfs in both cases were 2 stripes and higher, you got trained differently for sure...Trained thieves, who got caught and asses kicked before LE came to there rescue before a gene pool removal protocol was completed.
PD/FD/EMS people are a different breed we see the worst of the human condition and still keep it together. We are trained to save lives but with that training we can also make life extremely painful.
In both cases there were close to 50-75+ people forming up for a surround and pound (similar to TSAs surround and intimidate) and it wouldn't have been a stretch to have a multiple knifes or other implements on each person. I always have two boot knives, trauma shears, window punch and atleast one folding knife on me in the field. Even though it wasn't technically allowed on both deployments most people had firearms just in case SHTF in there bugout bags. Had those come out a smurf would have been DRT.
That's funny, I thought there were Droids in here...
Anyhoo, that's nice that TSA "people" went to "help" during Katrina.
In spite of the free transportation, the crews who volunteered to take these flights evacuating people in the aftermath, and the airlines who stepped up to provide relief flights, TSA managed to stand in the way as a big, unwieldy hindrance to actually doing anything.
TSA cost several lives in the Katrina aftermath in their "safety" orgy. Fact.
Airlines were clamoring to provide flights. TSA couldn't or wouldn't provide screening. They also wouldn't waive screening procedures in the wake of such a large catastrophe. People died. Good job, guys. You continue to do a "bang up" job.
Look, if you or your family are looking to evacuate an area during a catastrophe, don't look to TSA for any assistance. They will most likely cost you your life.
Never look to TSA for assistance. TSA is not here to help us, but to only help themselves.
Funny we had a team meeting tonight and Katrina came up in the course of conversation as everyone has been warned that this year is likely to be busy as the last couple of years have been pretty calm. Members of the team that worked Katrina said the same things but in not such nice words. They were based out of MSY for the first part then moved to a different BOO once they were able to get caches in and dispersed, but in total there were some team members that were deployed for 4-6 months on Katrina when it was all said and done.
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