Boggie Dog Suspended...and Other War Crimes and Atrocities

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by nachtnebel, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Even if he can be a bit.... gruff at times, he makes valid points here and there, sort of like I (hopefully) do. You can disagree with the person, the way they present information, and even the information, but he presents some points in conrast to the prevailing opinions here. I would think you would welcome opposite povs, even if they can be a challenge for you to read. It allows you some insight into the other side of the equation - why do you think I come here so often? I endure personal insults, professional insults and in some cases downright mean commentary - but I learn things. I learn what some of you disagree with, I learn what I can do to make the process easier for some folks coming through, I learn information that I did not know, almost every day here. I view the vast majority of folks here, not as an enemy, but as someone that disagrees with the organization or me. Learning what little things I can do to make things easier on even one person is counted as a victory in my books. do what I do, refute what you can about what he says, ignore it when something is not constructive and keep learning. :)
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Rugape, there is a huge difference between you and Ron. I will admit that when he seems to have taken his meds, he can on occasion post something intelligent. But most of the time he is doing nothing but trolling.
     
  3. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Maybe so, but the fact remains that many folks here make points that need to be considered or at least brought into the conversations. I have gotten valuable information from trolls before (and they do much worse than Ron would ever consider). I personally don't think Ron is a troll, I think he just has a different way of expressing himself and that he may even actually enjoy the "combative" role that many paint him into. I do not know Ron, but I have read tons of commentary from him, and he is spot on many times, the way he presents the information sometimes clouds the message.
     
  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Ya think?
     
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  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Other members here present the same challenges just as often. :)
     
  6. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Both here and at the "other place", when challenged about his "clouded" messages, Ron cuts and runs, never to return to the subject.
     
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  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Are you suggesting that I come across like Ron? I may be very pointed in my argument but I don't think I have the demeaning or condescending tone that many of Ron's postings seem to display.

    When the message gets buried in personalities the speaker has lost his audience.
     
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  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The same thing happens when the speaker wears a bright blue shirt and a fake badge.
     
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I discovered that Ron posted over at Elliott Blog -- I believe it's Ron because the choice of words is exactly the same -- here's something he posted there two weeks ago, early November (under a fake name, surprise surprise):

    And here's his comment at TUG, in the Revelations of Ron, Muse of the Platte thread, on Saturday, Nov 19 at 6:21pm:​

    Both were in response to me. He's so much fun, thinks he's so sneaky. I love it!
     
  10. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Not quite what I was saying. We disagree on many subjects, and the way we present things are simply different. I take what everyone posts and try to find the core message they are presenting - our personalities always color our speech (or print) patterns. You sometimes say things differently than I would, Ron does the same, yet we all may be saying something almost identical at the core. You have a tendency to be more pointed in your postings than I do, but that is because of your position on many things we discuss (and most likely it is how you present things in 90% of your conversations). I do my best to keep emotion out of my postings because of the reason you posted in your quote there. I do not take the (speaking of others here, I don't think you have pointedly insulted me personally) comments here personal. I can venture that probably not a single one of the folks in this group have had dealings with me on a personal level, so they are not talking about me personally, and if they are, they are welcome to their opinions - their loss. I also do my best not to speak ill of anyone, whether I agree with them or not. The more focused point I was making is that there are some here (and at other sites) that do the same type of thing that Ron does, and because a larger majority of commenters agree with their basic point of view, they tend not to be offended by it from those folks, yet they take umbrage when Ron does the same thing.

    As far as personalities, you come across as prickly sometimes, but usually you have decent points to make. If I knew you from a different place, I would probably peg you as the Harley riding Uncle that could probably fix most things around the house, teach someone to shoot, how to change the oil in a car or bike and mumbles under his breath at the people with you when they make a stupid mistake. I could be wrong though, it has happened before.
     
  11. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Sorry, Rugape, but you are simply wrong about Ron. I have been reading his posts for a long time, and that man is a classic sociopath. He has said some of the most horrific, insulting and inhuman things to people who have done nothing to deserve it. He has taunted rape victims and mocked them for being upset at having been forced to allow strangers to touch their genitals (something that feels like yet another rape to a rape victim). He has made light of people's family tragedies - e.g. rudely and snidely responding to people who've had a death in the family that they really don't have to fly to their family members' funeral, or transport their cancer-stricken child to another city for treatment...they could ride a unicyle. He has displayed a shocking lack of the most basic concepts of human empathy and compassion. He scares the crap out of me, and I am not joking that I am literally terrified of encountering HIM at a TSA checkpoint - the man personifies human brutality and using imparted power to debase people just for the thrill of it. He displays unmistakable PLEASURE when he hurts people - the man ENJOYS it! I shudder when I think of the poor passengers who find themselves under his pawing gropes. When I think of Ron, the picture I get in my mind is the classic Nazi prison guard who, drunk with power for the first time in his life, uses his position of power to abuse the poor inmates under his boot for no reason other than...he can, and it gives him a thrill.

    Ron adds nothing to this discussion. Period. I don't read his crap anymore, because the SOLE purpose of his posting is to cause upset and pain.

    The fact that he is a TSO has nothing to do with who and what he is - it's just a natural job for a person like him, who thrives on exerting power over people, to gravitate towards. The fact that THIS is his job emphasizes that not only is he cruel, but he lacks the abilities to acquire a job that requires education. Which makes him even scarier.
     
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    What you've said here is true of all TSA employees. While being a TSA employee may not have anything to do with who and what they are, it's a pretty clear indicator of the type of person they are... Namely, either completely soulless or completely ineducable, or both.
     
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  13. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Agreed. Of course Ron takes things down to a whole new level...but the fact is that it takes a certain personality type to be willing to do the disgusting things that are required of any TSO. I simply cannot respect anyone who would debase themselves by taking such a job. If I discovered that a neighbor of mine had taken a job as a TSO, that would be the end of our relationship...I could no longer have contact with that person. I wouldn't be outright rude about it - *I'M* capable of exercising basic civility to others - but I would simply avoid him permanently, because his choice of job would reveal that he is the type of person I do not want in my life in any way, shape or form.
     
  14. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I submit that all TSA employees are just as bad - it's just that some of them don't bother to hide the fact. I also see no reason to conceal my contempt for anyone willing to work for the TSA.

    I also can't bring myself to refer to them using the official TSA acronym - calling them "officers" doesn't make them so.
     
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Just because a person has an oven doesn't make them a baker. Having a TSA badge does not make TSA employees officers.
     
  16. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    That's why I like smurf-clerk or A.S.S. Properly demeaning and degrading and it doesn't play along with Reichskommissar John S. Pistole's game of granting false legitimacy to them.

    I would also submit BUSHO (Blue Uniformed Sub-Human Organism) to be used freely for them, though it doesn't have the ring of "smurf-clerk" or the accuracy of "A.S.S." Of course, there's the coincidence that GWB (BUSH) started TSA and BHO (O) perpetuated it. BUSH-O. But I realize I may be reaching here.
     
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  17. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    My position precisely. Sociopathy is defined by the behavior of the subject. If the behavior is sociopathic, then the person exibiting the behavior is a sociopath. It's not complicated. De - Nile ain't just a river in Egypt, it's a state of mind that can cause you to stumble blindly into danger. Sociopaths are danger personified. They will hurt anyone they can at every single opportunity they are provided, because hurting others is a source of profound pleasure to a sociopath.

    Unlike many others here, I understand why someone might work for the TSA. I know a lot of unemployed people who never thought they'd be out of work. I wouldn't shun them if they took the job. The current economic conditions are the very definition of unfair. Most people work out of duty and obligation. When I was a Marine I once worked for a sociopath. I feel deep empathy for anyone with morals who works for those who have none. It's (expletive deleted).

    Sociopaths are spiders on two legs. There's no point to hating them, but there's no point to tolerating them either.
     
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    You could say the same about those who worked as guards at Manzanar, Tule Lake, Rohwer, etc. Doesn't make their actions any less reprehensible.

    Unlike you, I would - and do - shun them.
     
  19. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Elizabeth, I hear what you're saying...and try as I might to generate some degree of understanding, it fails me. I can no more understand why someone would take a job with the TSA then I can understand someone taking a job as a hit-man. Either way, you're hurting people. In fact I can better understand taking a job as a hitman - at least in that case, it's entirely possible the people you are hired to kill deserve it. As a TSO, you know that all of the people you are irradiating and sexually molesting are innocent travelers who do not deserve it.
     
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Unfortunately, with the crap economy (and only going to get worse, imo), and with the Be-Afraid-Be-Very-Afraid industries being the only growing segment of that economy, thanks to collusion between the government and war contractors, many people are taking whatever jobs they can find. They might go in as perfectly reasonable people wanting to do right, but Zimbardo and Milgram showed us that most of them will end up doing wrong.
     

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