Boggie Dog Suspended...and Other War Crimes and Atrocities

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by nachtnebel, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And in TSA parlance is a strip search removal of all clothing or just part of a persons clothing? Neither of us knows exactly what happened but if any truth is to be found an investigation of this should be conducted by parties independent of TSA.

    TSA has been proven to have no integrity.
     
  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The generally stated version of a strip search (from my experience) is the removal of clothes in a majority, either leaving the individual naked or with some small amount of clothing like undergarments on. Individuals may have differing opinions on what a strip search is, it is an individual point of view. I am uncertain as to what this person uses as a definition of the term, it is not listed in any of the articles with any certainty at this point. You are correct, neither of us knows what happened with any kind of certitude, therefore it is better to wait and see what comes out before condemning the TSOs involved. It may be as the lady claims, but may just as well not be as the lady claims.

    I will dispute your last line though, some of the folks that work(ed) for TSA have been proven to have no integrity, the others (and most likely a majority of the work force) have not.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So do TSA procedures require removal of any part of a persons clothing during any form of screening?

    As far as integrity there are current employees who have displayed issues with integrity, one of them is a TSA Blogger.

    Taking the TSA agency as a whole I say lack of integrity is widespread.
     
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  4. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    You know I can't give specifics about screening procedures unless it has been published by TSA. I can say that coats, jackets and shoes (except for children 12 and under) are to be removed and sent through the xray.
     
  5. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Honestly, I don't care. He's an inhuman monster, so his disgusting responses are expected...that's what monsters do. I also think it's important to remind people that HE IS THE TSA. That's who's feeling our genitals.
     
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  6. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    And you believe there is even the slightest possibility that person is telling the truth? Oh please.:trash: :rolleyes: This is so typical as to be almost laughable...well, except for the fact that it involves strip-searching an innocent civilian!
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    In other words, yes, the TSA can demand, in a private room, that one remove clothing or drop one's pants. We've heard of it all too often for it NOT to be true.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There have been way to many reports of TSA employees doing things well above any screening need when hidden from the public's view.
    I have no choice but to believe the lady subjected to TSA criminal abuse.
    TSA is free to provide any evidence available to change my mind.
    Evidence is not trotting out another TSA Spokeshole to continue the TSA lies.

    12:38 PM Central. Fox News just ran a teaser with the lady in question. Thinking Fox will run the story again in the next segment.
     
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  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Therefore, an admission, albeit round-about, that the TSA DOES practice strip searches, else this spokesperson would have said "The TSA does not strip search passengers."
     
  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    So you say, repeatedly. So I ask -- again -- repeatedly -- what do you think of the thousands of accounts in the Master Lists?
     
  11. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    The TSA believes that the law allows them to strip search passengers if they want to. I think more people need to know this.

    Scroll about half way down the page to find this post:

    DHS: We Have the Authority to Routinely Strip-Search Air Travelers: The Department of Homeland Security told a federal court that the agency believes it has the legal authority to strip search every air traveler. The agency made the claim at oral argument in EPIC's lawsuit to suspend the airport body scanner program. The agency also stated that it believed a mandatory strip search rule could be instituted without any public comment or rulemaking. EPIC President Marc Rotenberg urged the Washington, DC appeals court to suspend the body scanner program, noting that the devices are "uniquely intrusive" and ineffective. EPIC's opening brief in the case states that the Department of Homeland Security "has initiated the most sweeping, the most invasive, and the most unaccountable suspicionless search of American travelers in history," and that such a change in policy demands that the TSA conduct a notice-and-comment rule making process. The case is EPIC v. DHS, No. 10-1157. For more information, see EPIC: EPIC v. DHS and EPIC: Whole Body Imaging Technology. (Mar. 10, 2011)
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The TSA can "demand" whatever they want. People don't have to obey. And again, for the 50th time, for anyone who's reading this who doesn't already know it -- never allow them to take you into a private room. You need witnesses. You want witnesses. If you allow yourself to be taken to a private room, they can -- and do -- do anything they want, no matter how abusive. Don't allow it. Insist that the gropes -- which Rugape, Pistole, et. al. keep insisting are so innocent -- be performed in public.
     
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  13. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Yes, we've talked about this quite a bit at TUG. The fact that DHS/TSA believe they have the right to do whatever the (expletive deleted) they want and have said so openly in court. The arrogance of these people is astounding. And it will only grow and grow and grow, as long as we allow it.
     
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  14. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I agree with you, Lisa.

    'We Have the Authority to Routinely Strip-Search Air Travelers' . Think through the implications of that. It really is astounding.
     
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  15. RadioGirl

    RadioGirl Original Member

    Side answer: Well spotted! It's a full-scale replica of Sputnik donated by the Russian Federation to commemorate the 50th anniversary of launch, and I photographed a few years ago. It's surprisingly small; the sphere is less than 24 inches in diameter.

    For the record, I chose it as my avatar because of its historical significance of the first man-made radio transmitter in space, rather than out of any sympathy for the politics of the former Soviet Union. :eek:

    [Soapbox - not at you, Rugape, just musing in general] In fact, as a child of the 60s, I was told by my parents about the practices of the Soviet Block and 1930's Germany: of having to seek government permission to travel within your own country, of showing "papers" at internal checkpoints, of people arrested in the middle of the night and held indefinitely , of citizens being encouraged to spy on their neighbors or their own family, of secret black lists. And in my young mind, I reasoned that the people who lived in those countries must be either very wicked to approve of such things, or at least very stupid to allow them to happen.

    My professional career started during the era of the fall of Iron Curtain and the demise of the USSR, and in my wide range of international contacts, I've come to know people from a number of those countries. And of course, they're not stupid, nor are they... well... any more wicked than people of any other country. :( It's still early days in the USA, but too many of those things in the previous paragraph are already happening in a small way. I'm not going to even bother hyperlinking the items above with media stories about DHS and TSA; it's too blindingly obvious. And there's nothing intrinsic in the American psyche that can prevent the worst of it happening in the USA. [/soapbox]
     
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  16. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    And this pretty much encapsulates why my husband and I are leaving the US for good.
     
  17. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    That is an incorrect read on your part, it was simply declining to discuss the SOP due to SSI regulations. You can read what was posted on the TSA blog last night and see what they say about strip searches. Here is the link:

    http://blog.tsa.gov/2011/12/screening-of-elderly-passenger-at-jfk.html

    Per said link, "TSA does not include strip searches in its protocols".
     
  18. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I can't speak intelligently on them because all I have is a list of peoples complaints. To speak out of turn on that would be stupid in the extreme. If complaints are lodged and found viable, then there should be appropriate action by the agency. Anything else is speaking without the whole set of facts.
     
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    And Strip Searches or partial Strip Searches have been reported happening at multiple TSA Checkpoints. One report might be ignored but when it happens multiple times something is going on.

    If TSA doesn't conduct strip searches why the need for paper drapes as has been reported in other articles?
     
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  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Who is investigating these complaints? Answer: TSA

    Don't you see the problem here?
     
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