Boggie Dog Suspended...and Other War Crimes and Atrocities

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by nachtnebel, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    BB also states that the woman told the agents she was wearing a back brace or support belt which required a private room screening. NO WHERE ELSE HAS IT BEEN WRITTEN THAT MRS. ZIMMERMAN SAID THIS TO THE AGENTS.

    He also writes "the item was removed, rescreened......" How is the item, if there was an item, going to be removed without the passenger's clothes being removed also.

    And why the (expletive deleted) is the TSA removing a medical appliance from a passenger in the first place?

    As I wrote at the blog, but it was not published, the TSA is going to kill a passenger one day and they are going to say it was the passenger's fault.
     
  2. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    And on the TSA website, as well.
     
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  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Rugape,

    I get the impression that the activities the TSA performs on elderly ladies in "private rooms" are defined as "strip searches" by the victims, but by some unknown (probably SSI) term by the TSA. The victims call it a strip search because their pants and underwear are stripped from their bodies while they cringe in horror, disbelief, revulsion and humiliation. The TSA calls it by an SSI term known only within their own organization as a means of obfuscation. This SSI term allows the perpetrator to lie to his/herself about the extent of the assault they are performing on their victim, and it allows the TSA spokespersons to add insult to the victim's injury by claiming "no strip-search" was performed.

    Pull the other one; it's shorter.

    I bear you no malice, but I have a visceral loathing for this form of lying. This is a lie within a lie, because the liar literally lies to himself about his own moral depravity while simultaneously engaging in deliberate deception against his targets. This is how people commit evil acts while simultaneously feeling pride in their own rectitude. This is the kind of lie that Satan revels in. This pattern of behavior is the very vehicle through which a soul is damned. It is an abomination.
     
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  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Right on the mark.

    I was child of the 50s. My first trip to Europe was three years (1959-1961) in Norway, where my father worked in the AFNORTH command bunker in a mountain outside Oslo. Norwegians like to repeat ad infinitum that "we have never had nuclear weapons on Norwegian soil"; they've really got the expression down. Most of them are blissfully unaware that nuclear command & control facilities were in that bunker.

    My father's next assignment was the prototype "Emergency Rocket Communications System" (ERCS for short) -- Google it. He wore an ignition key for a Blue Scout, Jr., around his next for 5.5 years. Had the unthinkable been thought, the odds were 1:4 (the number of shift rotations) that it would have been his voice giving the "go code".

    Armageddon was just a daddy away.

    As an adult, I've traveled extensively in Europe, including a number of trips behind the "Iron Curtain" & especially in Berlin. I find art museums boring -- I like war & history museums, and since I read German well enough to take in a museum without English materials, I've been to a good number of them. The parallels between the SA & the Stasi in comparison with DHS/TSA are breathtaking. The U.S. is well on the path to transition from good to evil.
     
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    ...and whether your understanding of good and evil is religious or secular, the transition from good to evil is painfully obvious.
     
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    It doesn't matter that the "TSA does not include strip searches in its protocols." TSA clerks are performing strip searches. What don't you get, Rugape? You're so transparent. I don't believe you're stupid. I just believe you're a PR shill. Like your buddy Bloghdad Bob.
     
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And I repeat, for the umpteenth time, what is your response, Rugape, to the thousands of accounts of abuse in the Master List?
     
  8. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    And I repeat in this thread:

    I can't speak intelligently on them because all I have is a list of peoples complaints. To speak out of turn on that would be stupid in the extreme. If complaints are lodged and found viable, then there should be appropriate action by the agency. Anything else is speaking without the whole set of facts.
     
  9. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Well, at least that is better than jumping to conclusions and obfuscating the way your employer does.
     
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  10. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I always thought the Sputniks were pretty funny looking, but they obviously worked in the designed fashion. Agreed on the historical significance, for a short period of time, the Russians had our number in the space race.
     
  11. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I know of no term as you describe here. I have never been a party to, or heard of (at the places I have worked) a strip search while working for TSA.

    Something that does happen, is that during the screening process, we go to clear a medical device of some sort, and the passenger (for their own reasons, not at TSAs request) removes said item, and then as they are leaving the checkpoint, I have heard them say "they made me take <insert medical device here> off to fly". This is actually fairly common, and presents an untruthful version of what actually occurred. I am speaking from personal experience mind you, not any stories posted here or elsewhere.
     
  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Are you absolutely positive that the screeners involved did not tell the passengers to remove the item? Were you standing there during the entire screening process to overhear the interaction between the screeners and the passenger? Or did you just hear what the passenger said while leaving the checkpoint?
     
  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I understand what you're saying. There's a distinct possibility that these 3 little old ladies were abused by single deranged screener or an unfortunate pairing of 2 or more dysfunctional screeners. The outlandish statements of the TSA's propaganda machine only add insult to injury when these incidents occur. I maintain that the TSA's current policies attract and retain sociopaths and sadists in proportions greater than exists in the general population. Policy makers have made serious errors in the way the TSA was created, it's "mandate" was executed and the agency has been allowed to ride roughshod over the Rule of Law. These errors are not yours.

    I sincerely hope that the TSA can be reformed without harming its vast workforce, the majority of whom do not deserve to be unemployed.
     
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  14. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am speaking from personal experience where I was the person performing the sccreening, and it didn't happen just once or twice, it has happened numerous times over the years. And yes I am positive.
     
  15. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Accepted.
     
  16. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    There is that possibility, the converse possibility is that there were no strip searches performed ( no stones! Just pointing out a possible option). TSA printed what happened in one case, at least the basics, but I do not have details on the situation. The other two, I have no other info on them at all, simply the complaints in the public forum. I also agree that errors have been made with policy, but then again, I agree with some elements of policy that you guys probably wouldn't. I wish there were a way to communicate the process better to the public, but currently that would be disclosing SSI, and would get the person doing so in quite a bit of trouble - and possibly result in a revamping of the procedures to a point that it made the process worse for the passengers - and my ultimate goal is to make things as painless for the passengers as possible, while doing our best to keep WEI off of airplanes.

    I hope that positive change can come to the organization for the passengers, and the workforce. If that means that reform must come, then lets get it underway and do so as efficiently as possible.
     
  17. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Rugape, does your agency disseminate internally information on the resolution of incidents like we have seen with the three grannies?

    If so, do you believe that your agency is being truthful or might they not be being entirely honest?
     
  18. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Lie. (expletive deleted) lie. TUG member LeeAnne (and I know her full name) has here related several times that she was forced to remove a back brace.

    This friend of mine -- again, I know her full name but don't have permission to reprint it -- ever wonder, Rugape, why people are afraid of using their real names with your thuggish agency? -- related this story last year. Verbatim:

    ". . . In your previous discussion it was mentioned that TSA policy claims to not require removal of protheses, casts, etc. while screening. Apparently they haven't all gotten the directive. Returning on a flight home from the major bone surgery center where five days before, my college-aged son had had long-scheduled reconstructive surgery to his wrist which involved pins, screws, wires, transplanted tendon and cadaver bone, he sported a thick protective clamshell cast and was heavily medicated (obviously). TSA required that he get out of his sling, remove the cast, and then of course put it all back together. As his mother it was all I could do to remain non-confrontational--we were trying to make the last flight of the day. I could hold the sling, but only he could re-seat the cast because only he could gauge which movements were tolerable--any movement of the wrist was excruciatingly painful.
    All of this was ridiculous and crazy as well as clumsy. The flight was less than an hour's duration. But he was informed that he might be harboring some sort of explosive powder in the cast. Such was the zeal of the Sea-Tac TSA. Permanently employed and apparently with a growing "mandate." Don't remember the color of the terror alert level that day."
    Posted by: nancy | October 03, 2010 at 08:06 PM (I know her real name –LS)

    How often does this happen?? We'll never know. We'll never know. What a cowardly response, Rugape. The same robotic pronouncements that your bosses incessantly spew -- that's what you do, too.
     
  19. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Lisa, Rugape is speaking of incidents of which he has direct knowledge.
     
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    But he denies that other people have had experiences of which he doesn't have direct knowledge.
     

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