Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Caradoc, Apr 15, 2013.
Explain to me, please, why they would have needed help with detonation. I honestly don't understand.
I'm loving that the Police Commissioner of NYC is mad as a hornet 'cause the FBI didn't inform him until 3 days after they learned that the duo had planned to hit NY.
This is going to add up to be another CF, where one agency won't talk to another agency - and I'm lovin' it!
That's hardly difficult. They apparently purchased their Tenergy battery at a hobby store that specializes in remote-control toys.
If you have a remote-controlled car, even a mechanical switch could be used to trigger something.
really? I thought they had used a cell phone, you know, some interesting application of Arduino and an Android.
that would explain their foolish proximity, which did them in. not that I'm unhappy they were caught---hanging is too good for them, imho.
Their foolish proximity is only mildly interesting when compared to their foolish timing. The body count would have been a LOT higher if they'd done it closer to the "Winner's Finish."
But wasn't part of the evidence against them that one of them is seen on a cell phone just before the blast? Or maybe that's just more "fog of war."
Remotes used in both:
Shrapnel looking so much like someone who had stuck a gun in their mouth and fired.
Like someone commented online, "You are the Police Chief. Are you being fired upon or not?"
Well, I heard a noise...
So I allowed contagious fire to continue for about an hour...
So, when was this bomb detonated? Inside the boat? But he was supposedly unarmed there. So now he was on the lam with a shrapnel wound in his throat? Really? Once again, something doesn't make sense.
I'm guessing "shrapnel from a makeshift bomb" sounds a bit better than "a wound suffered from his firefight with police" at this point.
My favorite online comment about the "shootout" and his being unarmed, to the effect of "guess we can't call the movie the Magnificent 7,000 now."
A lot of recent attention has been focused on the bombers' mother, who is a textbook histrionic, aka "major drama queen."
As much as I just want to smack her, because the personality type is an anathema to me, I can't help but wonder if she didn't become "radicalized" after she was labeled a terror suspect. Nothing "radicalizes" someone faster than being singled out for extra aggravation from the DHS. They probably drove her wild with fury with their pettifoggery.
Some of the reports indicate the older brother had one detonate during the large scale shootout, perhaps the shrapnel came from that incident?
This is a perfect indication of the downside of the 24/7 news cycle, there are so many reports back and forth from so many different sources, none of us can make out a clearly defined time line, nor set/chain of events. Add in the exaggeration factor and we will not know what the Hades actually happened until years after the trial. Another downside to this is the inability to get an unbiased jury. I believe in the process, and I believe the folks that are prosecuting should prove their case to the description of the law - but this much media and sensationalism and erroneous information makes it impossible to give the individual a fair trial.
That large scale shootout, you mean the brothers and their one handgun against all of the weapons of local, state, and federal police?
Just an opinion but in one of the videos of action around the boat there was one instance of a flashbang type weapon being used. It exploded just a few inches above the boat cover. The cover shreds in that instance making me think of something other than a flashbang. I have seen a type of gernade that is filled with rubber pellets. Not suppose to be lethal but.... If used to close to people I think the potential for injury is high. I have never tossed one but have felt the pressure wave from them and I was inside a building at least 100 yards away.
I think the FBI kicked to locals out and meticulously investigated the crime scene because whatever happened, it was a CF. Knowing what actually happened seemed like a good idea to the FBI, so they shut down the CYA evolotion and did what needed to be done. At least, I hope that's what happened. I still have this fantasy that there are people working for our goober-mint who aren't drones, goons or fascist loons.
Reported over the last couple of days that the FBI has moved the boat to a secure location. Wonder why? Afraid someone is going to count bullet holes or see something that makes law enforcement look even worse? The take down was an unruly mob out for revenge, similar to the take down in California of the rouge cop.
Yeah, anytime more than a couple of shots go off and it takes more than a few seconds to subside, then it is a large scale shootout - regardless of what weapons are used on either side.
That may be one of the items used, This one http://www.nonlethaltechnologies.com/DD-RP.htm even comes with irritant powder in the same section as the pellets, for the added challenge of irritated eyes and body parts that are in the AOE (about 50 feet). It could have been a regular flash bang or stun grenade of some sort, although with those, I would have expected at leasst an average chance of fire given the material in the AOE. All of those non lethal or less than lethal have the chance to kill you at extreme close range, just like the taser and the bean bag guns. These items are designed with subduing people in mind, but they still have explosives and electricity involved.
There is also a rubber pellet claymore that is used fairly extensively at many diplomatic locations worldwide (read embassies) for many countries. If you would like to see what happens when one is deployed, you can view it here... under the appropriately named movie moniker:
Exactly. That's like calling Hiroshima a nuclear weapons fight between two countries. It's a misuse of language, with no disrepect (not much anyway) intended to the poster who used the phrase. If the brothers were "properly" armed with sufficient ammo (say AR15s with copious loaded magazines), now that would have been a "large scale shootout" , you know, in the category of the 1986 FBI shootout in Miami. Not that I'm wishing this had occurred by any means. But, that's what it'd have to be to be "large scale shootout". Not this pathetic exercise in futility by this desperate bozo firing a hundred yards toward the cops with a weapon accurate to maybe 25 yards in the hands of very good shooter. A clown of this mental quality, and posing this micro threat, shutting down a huge city for days? Incredible.
Like Elizabeth said, this whole exercise was a CF of the worst magnitude, with wholesale and wicked trampling of civil freedoms of people over a broad area, men, women, and children removed from their homes at gunpoint, frisked, and having their houses gone through, AT GUNPOINT. What a collection of f*ing idiots.
That one. Where the Transit cop was hit by friendly fire. After which the bleeding #2 abandoned his vehicle, was seen running, but was only found close by after the curfew was lifted by a resident going outside for a smoke. As stated in lively comments on Politico: "Where were the K-9 units?"
I counted three about a minute apart. It wasn't clear to me if they were over or under the cover, but the boat sustained damage from them. You can see pieces spraying. Still doesn't account for the nastly splash of blood on the boat trailer wheel cover. He surrendered early on, which quaintly I find relevant. It's nothing short of miraculous #2 is alive.
What a CF is right. As appropriate, what are the chances the officers face anything? Or are all the normal laws suspended in that arena too?
The police state is not popular. Saw this and found it encouraging:
Lawmakers: Perfect system for preventing attacks doesn't exist
CBP failed to communicate their info on #1's travel. DHS.
Do that right, no Patriot Act needed.
Harping on the FBI, while ignoring that too-big-to-fail DHS, is very irritating to say the least.
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