CBS DFW: Female Passengers Say They’re Targeted By TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by CelticWhisper, Feb 3, 2012.

  1. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    Unfortunate that this is only a local news station in an already anti-TSA state that's running this story.

    Potentially controversial observation from a rabid gender-egalitarian: Am I the only one who's irked by the constant pointing-out of the fact that male clerks are able to view female scans? As if it's somehow worse than female clerks viewing female scans, or female clerks viewing male scans, or male clerks viewing male scans? Violations of Constitutional rights are violations of Constitutional rights. It doesn't matter to me who's getting scanned and who's doing the viewing. It matters that the scans are happening at all and that it's an actor of the government forcing them upon citizens without warrant or probable cause. Who gives a tinker's damn what people with what dangly bits are perpetrating the offense? It's still an offense.

    Pardon me if I'm off my meds today. The whole "OMG BUT GENDER TOTALLY DOES MATTER" thing utterly misses the point that this (expletive deleted) is unethical for a whole host of bigger reasons.
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  2. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Heck i could have told you that months ago. I saw that pattern in 30 seconds on the same day I made the smurf cry after my grope.
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  3. I don't have time to watch the clip, but regarding the gender thing --

    I agree with you, it's offensive all around. People of both (all?) genders have any number of reasons for not wanting anyone, regardless of gender, to see naked pictures of them. But I've come to think that to be successful in the war of ideas, we have to go at the TSA from every angle, all the time with small cuts as well as big blows. If men viewing women is the idea that draws ire today, well, good. If that's what gets under the skin of the common folk and can provoke change, it's a good thing. There will be time later to tackle the gender-equality problem.
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  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Women say they’re singled out by TSA
    by LISA SIMEONE on FEBRUARY 3, 2012
  5. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    TSA version of headline: "Female Terrorists Cry Rape At DFW"
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  6. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I think DFW now has ATD on the scanners so the peep show may be over there. I had seen a similar situation at BWI in early 2011. One screener kept looking in the frosted peep booth while women were going through the scanner. He'd look at them, open the door and look in and back at them. He did this for a good twenty minutes that I watched him.

    BTW, went through BWI Sunday. Pier C is still NoS free and only had four smurfs present. One young girl, maybe 16, got selected for a pat down. Surprisingly it was very cursory. The screener reached around her slightly and went shoulder blades to hip in one motion and that was it. Nothing front or back or below the waist.

    Passed by Piers A & B (Southwest) one way to C to grab coffee and saw people passing through MMWs with new ATD label on top. Not one opt out in ~30 minutes nor any gropes. They added another checkpoint on lower level next to baggage belt 1. It was totally devoid of passengers with 8 smurfs standing around. Terminal was pretty empty at 9:00A on Sunday and lower checkpoint will probably be busy on Mondays and Fridays but really no need to have this one open at that time slot.

    Same situation with MMW at MIA when I arrived around 1:00P. Checkpoints were busy but no opt outs in sight for another half hour. Fortunately, I'll be leaving from EYW so I'll avoid that (expletive deleted)-hole one the way back.
  7. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    Chris Elliot's ironic take:
    :rolleyes:Operational culture captured nicely.
    From the CBS story:
    Taxpayer paid peep-show, with unpaid models. :td:
  8. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I like Fox's headline, for those concerned with gender equity issues:
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Love it!!
  10. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Sexual harassment if you're run through a third or fourth time?!?!?! It's sexual harassment the first time!

    Oh, and if these "cuties" were sent through multiple times, why was Sen. Paul detained for asking to go through a second time?

    Oh right, all of these "inconsistencies" are part of the grand "plan" to keep "terrorists" incapable of gaming the system. GMAFB.
  11. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    A third or fourth time with a traveller plaything is just evidence.
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  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Because none of the wankers working at the checkpoint wanted to see Sen. Paul naked again. He wasn't a "cutie."

    The purpose of the re-screenings is obvious - they're not looking for weapons, explosives, or incendiaries.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I suspect this has already been posed based on an earlier article, will merge if someone can point me to it ...

    InfoWars: TSA Forces Woman To Use Naked Body Scanner Three Times Because of “Cute” Figure

  14. Bungnoid

    Bungnoid Original Member

    Regarding the woman who was forced through three times, was this prior to the introduction of ATR? (It is my understanding that by now, all of the TSA's MMW scanners have been retrofitted with ATR; is this correct?) Otherwise, the story doesn't make sense: with ATR, there shouldn't have been any incentive to re-scan her--at least not any perverted incentive.
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    X-ray units don't support ATR.

    Also not sure that all MMW have been converted.
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  16. Bungnoid

    Bungnoid Original Member

    According to the thread "Complete List of Domestic (US) & International Airports with Body Scanners," DFW airport--which is where the incident reportedly took place--has MMW, not backscatter x-ray scanners.
  17. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    The event took place some time ago. The backscatter has since been replaced or gingerbread added to MMW. The description is wonderfully clear on how guidance from the perv booth worked.

    Good for this journalistic effort:
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  18. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I th
    I thought the same thing, but apparently this happened before the ATR was installed. While that won't happen at DFW (assuming there really is no naked image) it is still a likely scenario at airports like LAX, BOS, ORD, PHX and others that have BKSX scanners and the naked image.

    TSA is hoping that people are ignorant enough not to realize that the BKSX still have no privacy software and assume that all scanners have ATR because of all of the press propaganda about the system on MMW.
  19. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    "Ellen Terrell was asked by a female TSA screener “Do you play tennis?” When Terrell asked why, the screener responded, “You just have such a cute figure.”

    Terrell was then told to go through the naked body scanner not once but a second time. She then heard the TSA screener talking into her microphone saying, “Come on guys, alright, alright, one more time.” "

    And notice that a FEMALE screener was in cohorts with the male screeners. This is why I believe the fundamental process is wrong. And just saying 'oh a fellow female will search you' -feel me up still doesn't make it any better for me. Or ease my indignity in any way.
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  20. RATM

    RATM Original Member

    At the risk of being unnecessarily divisive, yes, gender matters.

    However, gender does not matter enough to make any of this acceptable. It just catapults the outrage from WTF to "Do these policymakers have an actual mental handicap?"
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