Character Trumps All

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Dec 23, 2011.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    and it looks like a humble Amish dairy farmer with the equivalent of an 8th grade education may hand the lazy, scheming, thieving, vandalizing, tax-dollar squandering FDA goons their @sses. I sure hope so.

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  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I wouldn't consider an interstate ban on raw milk sales to be unconstitutional. Give him his day in court. He'll still lose.
  3. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Could be. I'm looking forward to it. I've read extensively on this subject. I'm not convinced he'll lose.
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  4. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    These cases fascinate me. They are yet.another.example. of our government run amok. Look. Dude sells raw milk. People want to buy his raw milk. What's the issue? Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE involved in that transaction knows exactly what's going down. It's not like you can just walk down the street and buy a gallon of raw milk. The people buying this milk know both the benefits and the risks. They have sought this situation, often with great effort. They don't need the FDA to come in and save them from themselves.

    There was a highly publicized case in Minnesota about a year ago involving deaths caused by milk obtained from a raw dairy farm. What was left out of the story was that a few years prior this exact same farm was an industrialized, pasteurized, growth hormone injecting farm. Even still they had the exact same problem. The issue was not that people got sick from drinking raw milk. The issue was (and is) that people got sick from drinking milk produced by a farm that does a real poor job of cleaning cow poop off of their udders prior to milking. It matters not that the milk was raw. It matters that the farm was dirty and that the farmer appears to be either lazy or stupid.

    When one enters into these relationships it isn't done willy nilly. If you don't know your farmer, it's your own damn fault.

    As an aside, when I was living in Minneapolis I had a relationship with a farmer who supplied me raw milk and uncertified eggs. This was back during both this milk scare and when people got salmonella from industrial farm eggs. I had no fear because I knew my farmer. He ran a clean farm and let the animals graze. The chance for contamination was so negligible it wasn't even worth worrying about.

    I daresay this Amish farmer's milk is far safer and healthier than anything the FDA would allow.
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  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Not necessarily. I lived with a family once that fell for the B.S. (and it was cheaper than store bought milk). These were well-educated people (one was a school teacher, the other was a research instructor at the local university). It ended when they had to haul their daughter off to the doctor, who took one look at her & said, "You've been feeding her raw milk, haven't you." Fortunately it was just a bad rash, nothing really threatening.

    Milk is pasteurized for a good reason. I have no empathy with those trying to pawn raw milk off on the public.
  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I think Pasteur was a pretty great guy for the obvious reason. And I would never drink the raw stuff. But if people want to drink it, I think they should be able to buy and drink it. (Then again, I'm also for the legalization of drugs.)
  7. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    The Feds allow all manner of lobbyist-influenced chemicals/toxins in your food, but raw milk? We've been consuming the stuff for how many thousands of years?
    (Shameless political commercial: Ron Paul, once again, on the right side of another issue.)
  8. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I think feeding your child unpasteurized milk is foolish. I think that squandering U.S. tax dollars to harass small local farmers and food cooperatives is criminally stupid.

    If the FDA wants to make itself useful, they can go after the enormous farms, huge slaughterhouses and food packaging operations. That's where the serious risk is.

    When I was living on a U.S. military base overseas the milk supplier regularly fouled up the milk. The last time I fed my child the Commissary's "fresh", "safe" pasteurized milk my children both got deathly ill. It wasn't until I got to the bottom of the milk jug and poured out the long, ropy strands of bacteria that I realized how I'd poisoned my two young tots. No consequences for the supplier. No admission that anything had gone wrong on the part of the government. Almost every young child on base deathly ill.

    I switched to powdered milk, which was what I was raised on. When we wanted fresh milk I bought it off base and pasteurized it myself. I had the right to make those changes. It would have been really ironic if federal goons had denied me those options.

    I think they knew better than to stir up any drama. I was not the only enraged mother.

    People should have a right to make choices about the food they consume. The goober mint isn't always right. 
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  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Totally agree. CAFOs are grotesque, filthy breeding grounds for pathogens and infection, as well as out-and-out horror chambers. The brutality that human beings inflict on other creatures (and on each other) is beyond words.
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  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Don't mess with my steak! :D
  11. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    The FDA is too lazy to go after anyone who has the money to defend themselves. They go after the little guy because they're lazy and cowardly, not to mention derilict in their duty to protect our food supply. Like the TSA, they want to appear to be doing something. Actually doing something that works is too much of an inconvenience for them.
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