CIA claims to have popped SuperUnderwear bomber.

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Cartoon Peril, May 7, 2012.

  1. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

  2. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    The current body scanners have been proven ineffective, so of course something like this had to be trumped up.
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  3. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

    Will they really tell us if the scanners could not have detected the item? Doing so would of course bring more doubt onto the efficacy of the scanners.
  4. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They've had ample time to refute Jonathan Corbett's published findings. Can there be any doubt?
  5. Al Coholic

    Al Coholic Member

    Assuming there WAS an underpants bomber...
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  6. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Well, there have been multiple eyewitness reports of the moron who tried to ignite his underpants, but as to whether or not the "plot" was ever viable? Dunno.
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  7. Al Coholic

    Al Coholic Member

    No, THIS time. All we know is what CIA told the newspapers. And we all know how trustworthy those people are. Independent verification? Fuggedaboutit.
  8. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Ah. You meant "was there really a second underwear bomber."
  9. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    OT, but I can tell you, from first-hand accounts, that there was an underwear bomber. It was treated initially as "no big deal" internally at Delta. It was after Chertoff got on the scene that the hoopla began. Take that for what it's worth.

    Back to this story, I find this piece of the story fascinating:

    So this is, how do I put this, exactly how the system is supposed to work. There is no need for intrusive, ineffective, and frankly stupid electronic strip machines and/or groping sexual body assaults in the United States when these attacks start in Yemen. Furthermore, since the CIA is apparently doing its job in finding these plots, the need for such searches in U.S. airports is unnecessary, barbaric, and superfluous.

    And here's the icing on the cake proving that DHS is not only stupid, but unnecessary:

    The whole purpose of DHS was to find this stuff out. They didn't. They can't. It's time to shut the whole damn circus down. Hey, DHS trolls, how does it feel to be the most ridiculous morons on the face of the earth?
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  10. Al Coholic

    Al Coholic Member

    Ah, I see. So there really wasn't one: no target, no tickets, nothing but vague copycat plans.

    ...but I do find HuffPo comments encouraging.
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  11. exbayern

    exbayern Original Member

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  12. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Heard this while driving and damned near drove of the road. Ruh-roh is right. Comes at a pretty darn convenient time, doesn't it, right when talk is beginning to see the light about dumping Pissy.
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  13. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    The first thought I had when I heard this was "false flag". But then it occurred to me that this is how terrorism is effectively addressed, through intelligence before the plot is hatched, not by groping children and strip searching grannies.

    This could be used as effective argument against TSA and its myopic focus on passengers crotches. They have consistently been reactionary when actual success come by being proactive and anticipating the opponent's next move.
  14. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    Well, you really cannot trust anything coming out of CIA. And there's good reason after the Pat Tilman fiasco not to trust any sort of rubbish about specific instances in the so-called "Global War on Terror". And if that's not enough, the Yemeni government, which appears to have been the tipster for all of this, is absolutely corrupt and dishonest.
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  15. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    This is pretty much how I see it too. If the story is true, the would-be terrorists were thwarted long before they managed to get a suicide bomber on a plane.
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  16. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    We're propping up the Yemeni government with guns, ammo, and the occasional drone strike on one of their more pestiferous citizens. Naturally that government wants to establish its utility to us.
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  17. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    There was a short discussion on MSNBC by a reporter who was asked if this kind of "bomb" would have shown up on an airport scanner. He said so called "underwear" bombs were getting more and more sophisticated and at the moment nobody is sure if a scanner would have discovered it.
  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    The GAO report when these infernal machines first came out was that body scanners would not detect an underwear bomb.

    Also see the video linked by exbayern above. It is eye opening... :eek:
  19. FliesWay2Much

    FliesWay2Much Original Member

    It doesn't matter. We will pay dearly for this.
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  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Exactly. It'll be used to ramp up the abuse at airports, not dial it back.

    "See? There was another underwear bomb! They're out there. They're everywhere! We have to search your underwear."

    And we'll never know if it was a real plot or not. We'll never know.

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