Compliance vs Sadism

Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by Elizabeth Conley, Sep 22, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Some people aren't just following orders.

  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    That should be an interesting read. I'll have to dig up a copy. Yet it does remind me of how General LeMay bragged about the civilians he killed in Japan, esp Tokyo, as commander of the bombers who deliberately firebombed the cities there

    “We scorched and
    boiled and baked to death more people
    than went up in vapor at Hiroshima and
    Nagasaki combined.”
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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    But we do have to give the German command (not the individual aircraft crew members) credit for perfecting the technique. At least in the European theater urban firestorms required a special mix of large (usually 4000#) high explosives to blow out windows so a draft could develop through the buildings and lots & lots of much smaller incendiary devices.

    When a country has a policy devoted to cruelty and human misery, the abusive behavior will extend from the top to the bottom.
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

  5. Can I suggest a related read: On The Natural History of Destruction by W.G. Sebald. Here's the book description:

    This is a devastatingly morbid book, and yet truly beautiful in how Sebald attempts to understand what actually happened on the ground in these cities, and how the people, the cities, and the land slowly recovered from it. It's also interesting, the Allies strategy here -- Sebald says the extreme brutality of these firestorms was punishment for the civilians for what Germany did in WWII. He also thinks the German people didn't really see themselves as victims, and instead accepted this as their punishment.

    [Coached by Mike to add Amazon links]
  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Luv my Kindle.;)
  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    hmm.. paper version for $7.87, Kindle for $11.99. that sux.
    only 100 pages, so this is about $0.07 per page, while Soldaten comes in at $0.03 per page....Soldaten written by a guy named SÖNKE NEITZEL. SÖNKE. With that name, my guess is he never served in the Navy.
  9. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I buy eBooks but I will never own a Kindle. Amazon lost my business after the 2009 book burning.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I'd rather help a felled tree serve a final purpose.

    Plus I often keep books years before I read them. :) I probably have a thousand books around the house & cabin that I haven't read -- only shortage is time, not books.
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    During WWII the Allies bombed Germany around the clock. The British opted for night time bombing which was not a precise but a bit less risky and the American effort of daytime bombing which was termed precision bombing if iron unguided bombs dropped from 30,000 feet can be called precision.
  12. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    RB - LOL thats old school precision, now a days its which window you want it to go through or straight down the chimney.
  13. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Yup. In WW2 the Norton Bombsight was the cutting edge of technology. As a precision instrument it sucked, but was better than anything else available at the time.
  14. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I have an outlandish number of books myself. That doesn't mean my Kindle doesn't have its place as well. My carry-on is lighter and smaller than that of everyone else I know, because my Kindle amuses me and my cell phone meets all my communication needs. No computer and no books means a lot less for me to carry, even given my fondness for my full kit of toiletries and medicine cabinet:). Further, the Kindle lets me buy a book on the spot, anywhere in the world where I can get an internet connection. It's not unusual for me to be reading, or at least previewing a book a scant minutes after it has been recommended to me.
  15. You know, for me, the idea of having to keep track of one more valuable piece of electronic equipment from getting wrecked or spilled on or stolen is enough to not get a Kindle. Books are easy come, easy go -- sure it sucks if you lose one, but in most cases you're out tens rather than hundreds of dollars.
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Arrived today, I'll add it my 40-year reading program. :)

    I LOVE Amazon prime. Anything I need that's not from stores I normally shop at (Walmart, Target, Home Depot, Menards) probably arrives on my doorstep from Amazon.

    I've no desire to own a Kindle. On average it takes longer (ususally much longer) than the useful like of an electronic device for me to get around to reading any particular book.
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  17. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I understand about the Kindle.

    We're Amazon Prime fans too. I even buy certain whole grain cereals and non-GMO corn meal through Amazon Prime, chiefly because it's cheaper and easier to do so.
  18. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    I didn't think I wanted a Kindle then one of the kids gave me one for Christmas. I love to go to the library and wander through the stacks of books - love the way books smell and the feel of them. Can't justify buying books when I have a whole library at my disposal. Then discovered I could download books from my local library sitting at my computer in my pajamas - didn't have to drive anywhere and try to find a parking space either. Life is good!!
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