Constitution suspended in East St. Louis

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Mike, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    In response to 4 murders ...

    KMOX: Virtual House Arrest Ordered for Minors in East St. Louis

    Among the new rules:
    **Minors are to be off the streets at ten o’clock on both weeknights and weekend nights.
    **Minors on the street during school hours will be arrested on sight.

    **Police will also perform I.D. checks on street corners and conduct gun searches, and Parks says he won’t hesitate to call in the National Guard if the spike in violence continues.

    “The loiterers will be arrested, not warned, but arrested. Those who are hanging out at 11th and Bond, 15th and Lynch, 38th and Waverly, wherever you happen to be, if you are loitering, you will be arrested.”

    Surrounded by police, Parks announced they also plan to arrest adult males and young men wearing gang colors, amounting to a city-wide dress code. “No royal blue, no bright red to be worn by our men or our boys in this community,” Parks said. “Why is that? Those colors have long been affiliated with gang kinds of affiliations”

    Asked about Constitutional concerns, and the need for probable cause*, Parks says the recent wave of crime is the probable cause and justifies the extreme new measures.

    “Vehicles that are moving will be stopped and searched for guns, weapons, drugs, and open alcohol and any other violations that are taking place,” Parks later told KMOX’s Mark Reardon. “People who are walking, people who are bicycling, can be stopped and searched for the same and, when it comes to state IDs, we’re going to be confirming that state IDs are in place for everyone involved.”

    *Methinks chiefie needs to review the definition of "probable cause" with a competent attorney.
     
  2. From the local CBS Affiliate:

    So. Papers, please, stop and frisk, and East German style street policing all in one fell swoop!

    What if a minor doesn't have an ID? I didn't have one until I was 16. I don't suspect there's a lot of homeschooling in East Chicago, but what if a seventeen year old drop-out has a job at McDonalds during school hours? Arresting minors on sight, no warning, if they're on the street during school hours seems particularly draconian to me. And is it really going to help to make all these kids stay home? How many of them will find themselves surrounded by drugs and violence in their homes? How many of them don't really have a home to go to?

    I do sympathize with a mayor in a violent city, under heavy pressure to do something about it. But he actually says, in response to legal concerns, “most importantly, we have to do something.” Where have we heard that before? He also says all the recent violence is his probable cause to do all this (um, that's not how it works, sir, but I guess you don't care). And then there's the issue of teaching a city full of black kids that they are guilty until proven innocent, which is a cycle that leads to widespread distrust of the police, and has in the past resulted in even more explosive violence. The good mayor would be wise to read the wikipedia about the Watts Riots, for example.

    I don't claim to know how to manage a violent, wrecked city, but I do know that tightening the screws this much has never been a successful policy.
     
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  3. Oh, ha! I just posted the same thing.
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Beat ya by 7 minutes!

    East St. Louis is a real pit. If there's a market for nuclear urban renewal, it'll be found in East St. Louis.
     
  5. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    St Louis is bad and it's going to get worse.

    http://www.infozine.com/news/stories/op/storiesView/sid/53229/

    When the denizens of St. Louis figure out that Pruit-Igoe was 99.9% black during the 1950s the racial tensions may well boil over.

    The mayor has a real problem on his hands, and more human rights violations are not the answer.
     
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    This is about East St. Louis, not St. Louis. East St. Louis is an infinitely worse (expletive deleted) hole on the Illinois side of the river.
     
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Thanks
     
  8. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Someone's about to have the ACLU living in his rectum, and being black ain't gonna help.
     
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