Democratic Underground: TSA Outrage - GOP Fodder for the Feeble Minded

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Mike, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    What part of "I'm just choosing not to debate them in here" isn't clear? Sorry for my lack of clarity.

    I don't have a hard and fast number of how much we should pay in taxes. I hate math. ;)
     
  2. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Irrespective of what we should pay in taxes, the fact remains that taxpayers fund $8.70 for every passenger that goes through security. As I wrote at TSA News, based on TSA's budget was 7.8 billion in 2011 to handle 696.7 million boardings. The cost for each screening is $11.70 and the 9/11 fee is $2.50, leaving $8.70 to be paid by taxpayers who may never fly.

    This cost should be paid by the airlines or passengers, not out of tax revenues from non-users of a for profit service. If airline passengers don't like it, they can do what the AFSers tell us, drive or take the bus.
     
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  3. LeeAnne

    LeeAnne Original Member

    Now that's a discussion about taxes that I'm HAPPY to participate in! I couldn't agree more. Actually what I think should happen is that they stop spending ANY taxes on the TSA, because it's a total waste of money anyway.
     
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  4. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    On Twitter somebody posted that a TSA agent told him that he wasn't paid by taxpayers - he was paid by the federal government. Which explains part of the reason why they are so rude to passengers because they are too stupid to realize that WE pay their salaries and they work for us.
     
  5. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    You have GOT to be kidding me. I mean, I knew they were stupid, but...wow. Just...wow.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sadly I think many people have lost sight of where some monies and benefits come from.

    When you hear anyone say "let the government pay for it" you know you have found one of those people.

    The amount of taxes raised is not the main problem, the problem is the amount of money government spends.
     
  7. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    We would probably be shocked by the percentage of US citizens who think this way. Some of them have PhD's in economics. All this is and remains an academic question until it matters. Like in Greece where taxes are being raised even though nobody can afford medicines that the "free" state medical system can no longer supply. Or as in Spain where there is 25% unemployment and rising yet the government overnight raised taxes ON EVERYONE 20%, which cut the standard of living even more. And people in the street everywhere. It is a bitter education for fools promised the moon and believing it.

    The role of the federal government was supposed to be limited to the enumerated powers listed in the US Constitution. Had it been forced to live within those limits, we, each of us, individually could have made the decision for ourselves over time which goods and services we needed, would not have subsidized our own and our neighbors misuse of resources, and would have had a more effective and lasting distribution of goods and services. Instead, the federal government has involved itself in every conceivable human activity, from subsidized food to specifying which kinds of medical care we can get and must pay for, deciding in general which things "we" need and must pay for. The result is a massive disconnect in which unneeded things are provided and needed things are not.

    The proof is in the pudding now. Increasing riots and flash mobs where people just take what they want. Higher education becoming unaffordable for larger numbers. The private sector economy unable to function or make the economic calculations required for making future business plans. Immense and increasing divergence between revenue and expenditures at every level of government which has brought us to the brink of bankruptcy just like Greece. We are simply a year or two behind what's happening to those euro-states. Look at Illinois and New Jersey and other crumbling and failing states in the US.

    Let the government pay for it.
     
  8. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    And at PV, Ronnie wrote: But we don’t work for you, we work for the government

    for which he was rightly and soundly blasted.
     
  9. RB

    RB Founding Member

    We all that wRONgie is a dumb (expletive deleted). Why should such a remark be notable from his/her type?
     
  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Don't let our bloviating bully of a governor hear you say that. He believes that in June 9,900 of us went back to work and that since he became governor, 90,000 are back to work. The actual number is closer to 40,000.

    http://www.politifact.com/new-jerse...christie-says-almost-90000-new-jerseyans-are/

    It appears that Romney has removed him from the list of contenders for the VP position. That's too bad 'cause I was hoping we could get rid of him, but his mouth is a huge political liability which the Romney team seems to appreciate.
     
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  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Now that the dust has largely settled ....

    Perhaps I should have named the thread differently. However that was the actual name of the post at DU, and my normal practice here (esp. when I'm feeling lazy) is to use the original post/article titles as the thread titles.

    Secondly, we recognize that -- just as in any normal conversation -- the subject might wander over time. Unlike that mythical other place, we're not anal about it. In extreme instances, eventually we might split the thread.

    Most importantly, anything you say here is subject to challenge or debate. If you don't want to discuss something, don't bring it up! :p And if it's way out on the left-wing fringe, just remember that I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum, waiting with that challenge. :D At the end of the day, nobody's penalized. After 14 months, we're still at zero suspensions and zero bans, except for spammers for whom God is not merciful, and for one TSO stalker who's still allowed to post anything -- in quarantine.
     
  12. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    TSA is where you go when you can't even get a GED. It's a jobs program just like ARC. Only the ARC clients are smarter and kinder.
     

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