Deputies use stun gun on Calif. air passenger after he refused to go through security

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    I've already written the chair warmers in Washington regarding this story. This is exactly what the TSA wants, dominance and obedience, eff the citizens if they don't like it. The really disgusting part is that the officers in this instance supported and pushed the direction of this situation.

    It does appear that the passenger snapped and made a bad decision here. Ultimately though, this is the result of the TSA's inability to do proper, accepted screening and provide real service. If the TSA wasn't groping people inappropriately and actually looked at citizens, as, you know, citizens instead of terrorists, this probably would not have happened. A simple escort to the plane would have sufficed, or the exit walkway employee could have explained to a screening employee that the passenger needed back in and got him back in without all of the hassle they made him go through just to retrieve a forgotten item. But no, they had to make it as big a hassle as possible, including treating him like a prisoner of the USA, again, for the second time that day. As if flying isn't bad enough in today's age, the TSA wants to find a way to make it worse for everybody that deals with them.

    What they are doing is unacceptable, and this is just a result of the decisions they have chosen. Keep pushing people, and eventually some will push back.
     
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Read the article. It's not what it might seem to be from the headline.
     
  4. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Very different description but still not worthy of much concern at this point.
    1. Description #1: refused screening & bolted through security, thus re-entering the secured area
    2. Description #2: fighting with cops at the checkpoint
    Neither scenario is particularly bright.
     
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  6. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I was expecting to see someone getting tased for simply wanting to leave... I agree with your post. It sounds like the fellow brought this on himself.
     
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  7. Bill Forester has a take on it that's more sympathetic to the guy:

    The guy clearly did something stupid, but I suspect he wouldn't have if security had been a reasonable process.
     
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  8. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Well said, it really wouldn't hurt if there were only 999 standing & one helping. :)
     
  9. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Looks like this one is on the passenger. The full story is much different than the original, which made it sound as though he decided to refuse completing screening on boarding.

    It seem that passengers forgetting items and exiting security should be a fairly routine occurrence. I forgot a laptop once in IAH but fortunately was just changing gates and didn't leave the secure area. I managed to retrieve it and make my flight with the aid of a speeding cart but wouldn't have if I had to re-enter security.

    Having a LEO or screener walk back with the pax would have be a more rational approach, which isn't something in TSA's vocabulary.
     
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  10. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I must disagree. That's the way the TSA and media are spinning it certainly. Remember the guy who just wanted to kiss his girlfriend goodbye and bounced back across The Sacred Security Line Of Demarcation? They made a big deal out of that, too.

    The guy already had a pass from the airlines saying he could go back to retrieve his stuff. What's the point of such a pass if he has to then go through security again? What a load of rubbish.
     
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    From what I've read, that was a "gate pass," so the TSA Moat Dragon wouldn't demand a boarding pass.
     
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Let's make the guy jump through even more hoops.

    This kind of (expletive deleted) will start happening more and more. Mark my words.
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    I don't like it either, but in a nutshell:

    1) Passenger deboarded plane and exited the "sterile" area.
    2) He obtained a gate pass from the airline to return.
    3) He decided he was going to enter the "sterile" area without going through TSA screening.
    4) The TSA and local law enforcement disagreed with him on point 3.

    What should have happened? Simple. You get one of the TSA idiots who's standing around not doing anything (and I've yet to see a TSA checkpoint that didn't have at least two of those) to walk him back to the plane and get his stuff, then escort him back out. Easy-peasy for any organization with more brains than a potato bug.

    Which excludes the TSA...
     
  14. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    Precicely! *touching index finger to tip of nose*
     
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  15. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    It really comes down to the TSA being what they are, rude snotty a$$holes that want to treat regular citizens like crap, each and every chance they get. This guy had just had enough and made a poor decision. But poor decisions are never alone, there are almost always others, stringing one to the next.

    The Sacramento airport is small, and the ext is right beside the security line, so the exit employee was probably, at most, 15 feet away from a TSA employee doing screening. Instead, the guy needs to spend 30 minutes to an hour to try and get back in to get a forgotten item that was probably less than 100yds away, on an airplane that may have a 5o minute turnaround time. I understand that is too much to expect from a TSA employee. :mad:
     
  16. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I wrote about it at TSA News.
     
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I've been the recipient of many gate passes.

    Always have to go through security.
     
  18. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    at least they could have put him at the front of the line to be screened.
     
  19. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    -pokerface emoticon-
    NO! Everyone who is NOT a TSA employee or their associate MUST be punished. Everyone more equally than the next!! That is the price of safety.
    Any logical propositions can and shall be met with the utmost complicate and extreme difficulty. No exceptions-unless you are a screener for anyone who IS NOT a screener or their associate is a suspect.
    -double pokerface emoticon with flared nostrils-
     
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I posted update on this story here at TSA News Blog.
     

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