Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by RB, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member


    1.6 billions rounds of ammo, armored vehicles and who knows what else that Nappy has bought or is buying and for what purpose?

    If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The question has to be asked, if everything is going well, if the economy is recovering as the government claims and as the state media proclaims, with tax revenues now up where they were, pre crash (in NOMINAL terms, not real terms), then why would you spend money on these types of things?

    As RB says, the purchase of this equipment, arms, ammo all point to the reality that things in fact are not going well and they point to an expectation on the part of the government.
  3. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    This is too creepy for words. No matter how resistant to conspiracy theories I am, I just can't ignore these tanks and bullets. Our DHS is officially creeping me out.
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  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Don't forget that DHS has drones that can determine if a person is armed and also intercept cell phone communications. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they have armament capabilities too.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I believe those are Predators. Armament is one of their more "basic" :D capabilities.
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Yeah, I know but newer smaller drones are being rolled out. I still suspect that they at least have the capability of being armed.

    I'm not a tin foil hat person but something seems very wrong with the direction government is headed.
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  8. At a certain point it's no longer tinfoil hat territory. A lot of this is now happening before our eyes. We need somehow to shake off the stigma that we're wearing tinfoil hats when we're concerned about stuff that is actually out on the streets, in the air, and in the airports, in broad daylight.
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  9. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    Dont forget that DHS also has order in for 7,000 select fire( safe, semi, full-auto) machine guns, but calling them "Personal Defense Weapons". Yet they want to ban civilians owning semi-auto rifles with "scary features" ... FOAD ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    You don't need to deploy those. There are zero instances of IED devices being set off in this country. those vehicles are there to intimidate the people, pure and simple. It makes you wonder who is running the show.
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    What are they going to do with these things? Invade our cities?

    The Russians got a harsh reminder in Budapest in 1956 that you can't send in armor without infantry to protect it, and these armored vehicles look to be a lot more vulnerable than the Soviet T-34's. Unless DHS is going to hire a standing army to go with them ...

    I hope some Congressman are asking hard questions about how are tax dollars are being squandered by the American Stasi.
  12. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    To quote one of my uncles, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and swims like a duck, it's pretty frickin' unlikely to be a cat."
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  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    7,000 full auto rifles, 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, and 2,700 armored vehicles. This kind of weapons build up is not for the traget range and annual firearms qualifications.

    I suggest all of you start phoning your electeds and ask why DHS is preparing for war inside of America.
  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    According to a DHS asshat in El Paso, one Robert Whitaker, they are used to serve "high-risk warrants."

    Another quote from Whitaker:

    gun ports so we can actually shoot from within the vehicle; you may think it's pretty loud but actually it's not too bad ... we have gun ports there in the back and two on the sides as well. They are designed for .50-caliber weapons."

    I have sent a letter to the editor of our area newspaper, but doubt it will see the light of day.
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So what happens if someone gets up close & chucks in a Molotov cocktail? As I said: More vulnerable than a T-34 -- never forget Budapest!
  16. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    (expletive deleted), a small black powder charge on any of the sidewalls will stop one.
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Forbes picked the story today ...

    Forbes: 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation

    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America.

    Add to this perplexing outré purchase of ammo, DHS now is showing off its acquisition of heavily armored personnel carriers, repatriated from the Iraqi and Afghani theaters of operation. As observed by “paramilblogger” Ken Jorgustin last September:
    [T]he Department of Homeland Security is apparently taking delivery (apparently through the Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico VA, via the manufacturer – Navistar Defense LLC) of an undetermined number of the recently retrofitted 2,717 ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ MaxxPro MRAP vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.”
    These MRAP’s ARE BEING SEEN ON U.S. STREETS all across America by verified observers with photos, videos, and descriptions.”

    Regardless of the exact number of MRAP’s being delivered to DHS (and evidently some to POLICE via DHS, as has been observed), why would they need such over-the-top vehicles on U.S. streets to withstand IEDs, mine blasts, and 50 caliber hits to bullet-proof glass? In a war zone… yes, definitely. Let’s protect our men and women. On the streets of America… ?”

    “They all have gun ports… Gun Ports? In the theater of war, yes. On the streets of America…?

    Seriously, why would DHS need such a vehicle on our streets?”
    Why indeed? It is utterly inconceivable that Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is planning a coup d’etat against President Obama, and the Congress, to install herself as Supreme Ruler of the United States of America. There, however, are real signs that the Department bureaucrats are running amok. About 20 years ago this columnist worked, for two years, in the U.S. Department of Energy’s general counsel’s office in its procurement and finance division. And is wise to the ways. The answer to “why would DHS need such a vehicle?” almost certainly is this: it’s a cool toy and these (reportedly) million dollar toys are being recycled, without much of a impact on the DHS budget. So… why not?

    Why, indeed, should the federal government not be deploying armored personnel carriers and stockpiling enough ammo for a 20-year war in the homeland? Because it’s wrong in every way.

    (read more)
  18. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Armored cars (that carry money) have gun ports. Never seen them actually used.
  19. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So what is DHS going to do with 1.6 billion rounds of ammo? Have Border Patrol shoot down a few more kids in Mexico? Pass them out to LAPD so they can shoot up innocent civilians? Or is DHS planning for some extended armed action, perhaps as they try to disarm America?
    You don't buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo just on a lark!
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  20. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    Enough to shoot everyone in the USA who doesn't have a patent of nobility shining on his chest 4 times. And that's over and above what has already been purchased.

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