United States DHS keeping Americans Safe

Discussion in 'Border Controls, Customs and Immigration' started by RB, Nov 1, 2011.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/31/trial-begins-illegal-immigrant-who-killed-nun-fata/

    Illegal immigrant pleads guilty in killing of nun in Va.

    Was driving drunk during fatal crash

    Martinelly Montano, who entered the country illegally with his family from Bolivia in 1996, had twice been convicted on drunken-driving charges before the accident.

    I'm a little confused. DHS thinks it's ok to have travelers assaulted at airports if we wish to travel freely but seems to think it's ok to turn an illegal alien loose on the public.

    Why doesn't DHS enforce the immigration laws already on the books. Wouldn't that be the responsible thing to do, especially for those people who took an Oath to Defend the United States?
     
  2. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    THe beauty of the Constitution is that in its simplicity it makes possible to things such as this without the need of allowing government agents to become intrusive.

    And yet, that's exactly what they're doing, while the barn door is left wide open in other areas, as you point out.

    If they would just follow the Constitution, we wouldn't have stories such as this one, and we wouldn't have government goons pawing at our privates.
     
  3. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    There are approximately 11 to 12 million undocumented persons in this country. There will be crime among them, but no more than the statistical average for that population.
     
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  4. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Yes and this guy had been arrested for a crime previously and let go. If a person is in the country illegally and is arrested there is no excuse for that person being put back on the streets.

    Catch and Release is not only bad policy it is a policy that does not support the laws of the United States.

    Putting this person back on the streets resulted in the death of an innocent person.
     
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    If they had only rubbed his crotch and his buttocks when they first met him, he would have been rendered safe and would never have killed that woman.
     
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  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    The woman was a Nun. Driving to a retreat.
     
  7. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I'm sorry to be the meanie here, but illegal immigration is a crime. It's not a victim-less crime either. Citizen in the U.S. are taxed heavily for our excellent infrastructure, schools, social security and other benefits. It's a form of fraud against every taxpayer when illegal alians use these benefits.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

  9. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    I'd be curious what those criminal records actually detail. Smoking a joint, for instance, is a crime. Doesn't scare me that lots of people are doing it. I think overstaying your visa is also a crime. (Not a lawyer, so I don't know the different categories of crimes, misdemeanors, etc.) I have friends in Charlotte, NC who, as we speak, are fighting to stay in this country. Been here 10 years, raised their kids here, fine, upstanding, hard working, well off, blah blah blah. But in 10 days, if they stay, they'll be criminals.
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...na-dhs-for-information-on-illegal-immigrants/

    Maybe this will wipe the smirk of Napolitano's face. CBP's methods of detecting illegal aliens (illegal checkpoints on our nation's highways) shred citizen's Constitutional Rights. State and Local municipalities use old-fashioned police work - but the DHS refuses to deport the illegals the State and Local authorities net by legitimate means.

    This pattern of malfeasance begs the question: Is the DHS trying to "prove" that citizens must abandon their 4th amendment rights in order to solve our illegal immigration problem?"

    What is going on here? Theories abound. Wherever the truth lies, this citizen is deeply offended by the current administration's disregard for the well-being of ordinary citizens. Furthermore - wasn't the DHS created to result in greater co-operation between law enforcement agencies? How is the DHS's sandbagging Local and State law enforcement agencies over illegal immigration "greater co-operation?" Why is it always "My way or else!" with Nutty Nappy?
     
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  11. RB

    RB Founding Member

    In my opinion, and I admit to being very conservative on this subject, if a person is in this country illegally for any reason they should be deported. No court, no hearing, no nothing but a trip to the border.
     
  12. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    You wouldn't want to live in a country like that. This would require suspension of habeas corpus in favor of the Department of Homeland Security. A non-starter for me. In any case, the 11 or 12 million have children who are citizens, often parents as well. Like it or not, deportation is no answer here. Very powerful interests encouraged all of this in the hope, mostly realized, that cheap labor could thereby be obtained. We acquiesced in that, because if we really had to pay a fair price for produce, for example, based on the real value of the hard and difficult work it takes to harvest it, the cost would be two to three times greater.

    As far as TSA goes, one has to remember that the opposition to this rancid regime cuts across all political spectra, but this issue isn't necessarily seen the same way. So I don't think that TSA's failures are of a part with the immigration situation, which has been building for quite a long time and affects huge numbers of people far beyond the undocumented aliens themselves.
     
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  13. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    The anchor baby program needs to go. I think those who acquired their citizenship this way should be grandfathered, but no more instant citizens should be created this way.

    In FL anchor babies are suing for in state tuition, and legally I'm pretty certain they qualify. They may qualify technically, and I'm sure they'll win. That just highlights why the anchor baby program rips off tax paying citizens, municipalities and states.

    The whole drama about illegal aliens leaving U.S. citizen children behind when deported is artificially created by the misguided policy that made those children citizens in the first place.

    We need to accept people as citizens or reject them as citizens based on a rational system of due process. They shouldn't be able to wedge their foot in the door and force their way in simply by being born here. This is particularly true when the parents are in the country illegally. No, it's not the anchor babies fault, it's our fault for creating this enormous back door to citizenship. It's time to slam that door shut.

    All over the world refugees apply to come to the U.S. Few get through the application process. Without anchor babies we could afford to grant more of these humanitarian appeals for sanctuary. Many talented, well-educated people bring special skill sets to the U.S. Their applications for citizenship go through a rigorous process for approval. Our economy, medical system and scientific research benefit enormously from these people's gifts. How fair is it that the anchor-babies are automatic citizens, while other immigrants struggle? I submit that the anchor baby program is unfair to immigrants and unfair to taxpayers.

    If people's heart strings get tugged over the melodrama that ensues when illegal immigrants claim being sent home means leaving their citizen-children behind, then the correct response is to discontinue the anchor-baby program. The entire nation is being emotionally blackmailed. We will almost certainly give in to this generation of anchor-baby-automatic-citizens and their clever parents, but we're total doormats if we don't shut the anchor-baby program down and stop the cycle.

    Note that our Federal Government is currently trying to prevent states from even measuring the cost of educating illegal immigrants. That's right - the feds actually want to keep tax payers from knowing how much money is being siphoned out of the public coffers! That makes about as much sense as passing a law that citizens may not review their own bank statements.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...sentee-rate-targets-Supreme-Court-ruling.html

    That's criminal collusion on a massive scale.
     
  14. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Ok, the children can stay but the illegal parents need to pack their bags.
     
  15. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The 14th amendment says those kids are citizens if born in usa. That would have to be changed.
     
  16. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Maybe. At the time it was written the 14th amendment was not intended to make the children of foreign visitors citizens. It was intended to grant citizenship to freed slaves and their children. A separate bit of legislation was enacted to grant citizenship to the children of members of Indian Tribes, for example. The 14th amendment did NOT grant Indian children citizenship, because they were not entirely subject to the jurisdiction of the state in which they were born. In the one supreme court case that applies, Wong Kim's parents were LEGAL residents when he was born. If that last distinction doesn't matter - it should! Illegal aliens are people actively avoiding the consequences of falling under the jurisdiction of the state.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark
     
  17. Cartoon Peril

    Cartoon Peril Original Member

    We aren't going to agree. Isn't this a distraction anyway?
     
  18. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I don't see illegal immigration or the failure of government to enforce standing law as a distraction. I see it as failure of how we govern ourselves and one more attack on our way of life. DHS seems to have a hand in many things damaging to the United States.
     
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  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    How we forget that we are a nation of immigrants. Immigration -- seeking out a new life -- is at the very root of our existence.

    I haven't forgotten. I spend a lot time researching my ancestors, especially those who immigrated from Germany (first to Germantown, VA, later to the Elsberry, MO, area where they homestead and farmed -- or perhaps I should say where their slaves homesteadead and formed for them), and in Australia to where they were given "transportation" and ended up as "squatters" (Australian for "homesteader") in the Young, NSW, area, also my wife's ancestors who left Sweden when conditions were such that they couldn't feed themselves there.

    There are ways it could be handled better, but most "illegals" are not real problems. They are also very essential to our economy. It would be an economic disaster if several million workers at the bottom of the food chain were suddenly shipped back to Latin America.
     
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  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Several million illegal immigrants in the country should have never happened in the first place. I am all for legal immigration. I am all for work permits. I am firmly and without apology against illegal immigration and illegal immigrants labor. This type of labor is usually paid less than any legitimate person would accept. The working conditions are often harsh.

    We can't deport several million illegal workers today but we can start with one and keep going until the job is done.
     

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