Disqualified from PreCheck to go on Watch List

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by KrazyKat, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    This went into effect November 19, 2012, the same day it was noticed:
    EPIC's Khaliah Barnes said of the Secure Flight watch list:
  2. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Good. I hope the elitists who are trying to buy their way out of this instead of groveling to TSA get more grief they they can imagine.
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Sounds typical for the Transportation (expletive deleted) Agency.

    You really have to wonder what side they are on.
  4. But wait a minute -- how far does this reach? Blogger Bob just made a big post about how you don't have to pay for PreCheck, you can just get chosen by your airline unbeknownst to you. Or because you checked some box you didn't realize meant you'd be considered for PreCheck? The whole thing is still vague to me. But the fact remains that people are showing up for their flight and discovering they get PreCheck without having known they were up for it. If the TSA is choosing people for PreCheck without their direct knowledge, are they also putting people on the watch list who fail the screening for PreCheck that was done without their direct knowledge?

    Does that make any sense? It's my latest conspiracy theory.
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    No. It's obvious which "side" the TSA's employees are on.
  6. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I'm sure NONE of this started before TSA's fair :rolleyes: notice on 11/19/12.
    (The notice may have left out a few of these SSI details-- but just for our safety, of course).
  7. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    I would say that if you got put on a watch list because some company you do business with nominated you for this "privilege" without your express permission, you would have a tort against said company.

    I foresee lots of class action.
  8. Will people even know if they are on this watch list? There are so many questions.
  9. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    From what I could glean from the document re this, no, the person won't know that they are on it nor why.
  10. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Loss of Privacy has a post and commentary on this today. Note that this may be time sensitive and be replaced in a few days.

  11. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    This is EXACTLY the reason many have argued against an American government database of extensive information to determine if an American citizen can travel within his/her own country.

    A database of such great information has so many uses, especially if the information is "voluntarily" given to the government. People will have given credit information, work place information, information gleaned from frequent traveler programs and travel history to a government agency that has already shown a willingness to disregard the laws and customs of this country. Now that same agency is going to gather another list, using data from that database as well as a third party most likely, and deny some Americans travel.

    This is not a good idea, in the least, and an abomination at the worst!
  12. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    So the law of unintended circumstances smacked some folks upside the head that they could be more equal than the other animals? Boo-hoo. [​IMG]
    phoebepontiac likes this.
  13. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    They will when they find out they have a hard time traveling by air. Of course, they also will never know the "why."
  14. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    They will when they find out they have a hard time traveling by air. Of course, they also will never know the "why."

    Stupid "server error" causing duplicate post again.

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