Don't fly during Ramadan

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by jdp23, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. jdp23

    jdp23 Original Member

    Excellent post about a horrific TSA experience ... a brief excerpt:


    It's long but worth reading to the end. http://varnull.adityamukerjee.net/post/59021412512/dont-fly-during-ramadan

    jon
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Better title would have been "Don't Fly While Brown During Ramadan".

    Disgusting fascists -- he should sue JetBlue for discrimination and any incidental expenses.
     
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  3. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    A nauseating article, especially the part about his apartment being broken into.

    HOWEVER, I am skeptical about him having access to his cell phone before completion of the screening.

    I am also skeptical that if they really thought he was a terrorist, that he was kept in the same room for 3 1/2 hours.
     
  4. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    You and I have different takes on it. You're skeptical, and it just makes me think that they have hidden surveillance cameras in the room so they don't care what you do.
     
  5. RB

    RB Founding Member

    From a security stand point would it not be wise to have the room monitored with both video and audio equipment?
     
  6. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    It seems to me there's a liability issue there. I know they're not supposed to strip search you, but what if they do and the video gets leaked out?

    Also, there needs to be some kind of notice that you're being recorded. I've never been in one of those rooms (not even by them), so I don't know if there is proper notice or not.
     
  7. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I have never been in the room either. If a strip search happened and the video leaked at least the persons lawyer would have some hard evidence of what happened because I think we all know getting truth from TSA or its employees is not going to happen. TSA isnt' suppose to detain anyone but wouldn't being taken into a closed room meet the definition of being detained?
     
  8. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    That would be the liability issue. ;)

    Normally, yes, but who knows how the TSA describes that situation. It's probably SSI.
     
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "Weasel words" is one of the very few categories in which the TSA shows any degree of competence.
     
  10. Doober

    Doober Original Member


    'Cept the piece indicates that he took his phone BEFORE he went to the private room. He wrote this about the phone:

    I just think TSA would go ballistic if someone who had tested "positive" for explosives touched a phone.

    I also believe they held him for 3+ hours so his apartment could be searched.
     
  11. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Now mainstream in full view of the world ...

    UK Daily Mail: Hindu man is barred from flying with JetBlue after being questioned about his religion - despite TSA clearing him to board (Aug 23 2013)

    • Aditya Mukerjee, who is of Indian origin but lives and works in New York, said he was detained for four hours before JetBlue told him he couldn't fly that day
    • The ordeal began when Mukerjee tested positive to certain explosives, he believes due to anti-bedbug spray
    • TSA cleared him to fly but JetBlue refused to let him board after asking him whether he 'needed a special place to pray on board the aircraft'
    • He believes he was treated the way he was because authorities and the airline believed he was a Muslim and he was traveling during Ramadan
     
  12. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Ha! Probably true.
     
  13. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Check JetBlue's tweets. They're actually defending the paranoia and racism.
     
  14. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

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  16. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Deservedly so. I've been wondering for quite some time just what they're blackmailing him with. He didn't even swing at the low-hanging fruit of that "Behavioral Detection" nonsense (I'd use a stronger word, but...) being the "start" of the problems.

    It bears repeating that the TSA's implementation of "Behavioral Detection" has zero basis in anything having the remotest appearance of credibility.

     
  17. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Frischling is a completed worthless sack of :trash:. I've had zero empathy for him ever since he rolled over in response to an invalid subpoena, allowing DHS to take & destroy his laptop. Another person who was similarly targeted turned his subpoena over to an attorney, and it was quickly withdrawn.

    The subpoena was for a TSA document that was already readily available on the internet; the government goons were just flexing their muscles, and Frischling the Quisling sucked it all in.
     
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    13 years of blathering abject stupidity?
     
  19. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    One thing to keep in mind is that there probably are some mistakes & wrong memories in Aditya Mukerjee's account -- few people can sit through hour of harassment & interrogation and remember every single detail with 100% accuracy.

    If indeed he was flagged by a BDO, that's no better than a false ETD alarm. Aside from the "voodoo science" aspect of it, BDO's are legendary for racial profiling. If Aditya thinks he was profiled, and we later learned that a BDO was involved, that increases that likelihood that he was indeed racially profiled.

    And BDO's are (expletive deleted) -- I'll never forget the douche bag at STL that got in my face & tried to pick a fight with me. He behavior was so out of line that even the lead TSA cut my detailed screening short, apologied & gave me her card.
     
  20. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    They're not all (expletive deleted). Some of them really are stupid enough to believe in the voodoo.
     

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