Dumb question of the day...

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Louis Betti, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Louis Betti

    Louis Betti Original Member

    Okay... the cockpit doors are impenetrable; you're not getting in. The TSA is worried about some stuff that would not bring down a jet airliner, like a knife. Granted, looking for things that can (such as explosives) is a good thing.

    So, let's say I'm a "body builder". Think in terms of very muscular individuals, you could snap your neck in a heart beat. Why are they not threats? Not that I would want them to be!

    When does this insanity end? When do we get a clue?

    Perhaps some of you, and likely the TSA, do not know about the story of FEDEX 105:


    Yes, it was pre-9/11, and he was a pilot / employee dead-heading in the cockpit, but the crew, despite very severe injuries took him down and landed the plane.

    The reality is: You're not getting in the cockpit, and the worse we should fear is a bomb getting on the plane.

    I doubt it will be a cup cake bomb or a knife, or a some other innocuous thing!
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  2. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    I posted a similar question with regard to bodybuilders/martial-artists in the comments thread of the article linked from the "Thieving idiots in Omaha" thread. There's nothing that Terrorists Searching Americans can do about someone who's not carrying a weapon but, rather, IS themselves their own weapon boarding a plane. This actually applies to me and my girlfriend both - though she's more skilled than I, we're both martial artists and could easily hurt someone on a plane without the use of any weapons.

    My comment was something to the effect of "What're they going to do, chop our hands off for the flight and stitch 'em back on when we land?"
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If he was a pilot deadheading in the cockpit jumpseat, that still happens today. Just about any U.S. airline pilot can deadhead in the cockpit jumpseat of just about any U.S. airline, with the captain's permission. I can't say "every" airline, because there is actually list of "approved" airlines for this purpose, but it is a very inclusive list.

    In the interest of selling & overselling every last seat, deadheading pilots will fly in the jumpseats to make room for us cattle in the back. I've lost out on bump vouchers when deadheaders (even from other airlines) have been reassigned to jumpseats. :( It's not fair, I tell you! In the interests of safety (and most importantly my finances), they should be bumping me.
  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I'm of the opinion that martial artists should downplay their skills as much as possible. The DHS is bonkers. If they ever figure out that there's no such thing as dangerous weapons, just dangerous people, there will be (expletive deleted) to pay. Ironically, the average goon has no idea that the public s/he hazes is tougher and smarter and more highly skilled than 5 goons put together. It's best the goons not know that. It will only ramp up their paranoia, leading to worse abuse.

    It's better to keep the DHS and their goon squads blissfully unaware that it's only the kindness, civility and iron self-control of martial artists that keeps them safe from reprisal - for now.
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  5. FaustsAccountant

    FaustsAccountant Original Member

    You mean like the next thing that becomes a requirement when purchasing an airline ticket will be "Have you ever had any martial arts training or education?" or be 'registered' with the TSA/DHS if you answer "yes" and under the penalty of 'law' if untruthful?
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  6. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    That's a good looking 210, Louis! ^

    When I was at US, our contract language specifically stated that crews be assigned passenger seats while deadheading, and for a while we were even given the exit row by default. Sometimes we would take the jumpseat to "help out" though. Sorry! :oops::D
  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Wow, Louis Betti, no I didn't know about that FedEx flight and that amazing story. Not only were those pilots heroic, but we should be pulling this story out as often as possible to counter the TSA apologists. They trumpet the infinitesimally small risk of a terrorist attack; let's throw this back in their faces. (In other words, for those who remember the Analogy portion of the SAT: Risk of terrorist attack is to airplane as risk of bonkers deadheader in cockpit is to airplane.)

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