Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Jun 25, 2011.
The sickness continues.........
Disgusting behavior from people who should know better.
Notice the Nuremberg defense? They will be held accountable for this one day.
I feel very sad to learn of what this poor lady had to endure, but it's more bad press for TSA...
The party line, as usual
WHAT on earth is sensitive about removing a diaper from an adult? Sending this to Drudge.
Years ago, shortly after TSA hit the deck, stumbling, I told people of my experiences at the hands of the TSA. They said "it can't possibly that bad. The government is doing the screening." Idiots (family members, coworkers, friends) believed in TSA then. It not only is as bad as I initially made it out to be, it is much, much worse.
Sorry TSA, in this and other episodes, you guys, from the screener up to the FSD are all the bad guys. You guys earned the black hats.
One day a TSO will wind up killing a passenger during the screening process. Expect the spokeshole for TSA to say "we used the same procedure on them that we've used on millions before and no one died......" Herein lies the problem. TSA cookie cutter security with one size fits all doesn't work when dealing with people. You've got to be flexible enough to recognize when you need to do a little more, a little less, modify procedures to deal with the elderly, disabled, children, etc.
I was having a nice lunch breah on our DRIVE to St. Louis until I read this. God this is just sick!
Is 'asked' the correct word to use here?
This is sadly why my grandparents are not making their yearly trips to Hawaii anymore. But they did fly longhaul with me as well as alone last year and my 95 year old grandfather who also wears a similar product had no issues at all with various airport security, including the dreaded FRA. Then again, they didn't transit the US.
Inflexible, brutally indifferent, slavish in following orders, not allowed discretion or independant thought processes. You get even the most reasonable of these folks posting and their callousness is evinced in nearly every post they post. It is just a job them, the people flying are just objects to be inspected, handled and handed off, and everything is reduced to a process. Have to inspect little Suzie's crotch, because if you don't you'll miss a real terrorist. And how do we know little Suzie isn't a terrorist, etc, etc, etc. It's not that big a deal to them at all when they are rubbing your butt and crotch. Just animals moving through the turnstiles.
These TSA folks put the onus on us "well, how would YOU do this". Sorry, finding reasonable and effective solutions is your job. That is why we pay you hundreds of billions of dollars. First, you don't do what you cannot do, for starters, you cannot strip search us and feel us over our bodies without reasonable cause. It is telling that although passive millimeter wave tech is available that shows items external to the body without rendering the body nude, it was rejected in favor of tech that is capable of showing every nook and cranny of your body. I especially love arguments that doing security any other way would be too expensive. Strip searching is the fast way I guess, and we are to sacrifice our "mores" for TSA's efficiency.
A reasonable person could conclude that the tacit approval shown by federal courts for strip searches and invasive body searches is not accidental (they know full well what is and what is NOT allowed by the 4th Amendment), but are preparatory moves for procedures expected to be necessary to handle expected civil unrest. As per this interview with a noted constitutional lawyer, Ed Viera, from casey research at http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/interview-dr-edwin-vieira.
I read this a lot online from people who seem to think that the two options presented are TSA-style security or no security at all.
There are many other countries around the world which have and have had terrorist threats for far longer than the US. They manage to practice effective security without using the same measures. Why can they not be used as the model for security? And I don't mean an Israeli-style model necessarily...
And what aggravates me about THAT is the implication that "TSA-style security or no security at all" necessarily has a right or wrong answer, and that "no security at all" is the wrong answer.
"No security at all" is a legitimate choice. Maybe it's one that the USA thinks is unpalatable but it's still a legitimate choice and if it's part of a dichotomy with "TSA-style security," it's looking more and more appealing each and every goddamn day.
If the only choices for security are what the 95 year old lady received or no security then I take NO Security.
However, I would think that the billions being spent on TSA could be used to find acceptable means of security and not what Pissy's Perverts are dishing out today.
Poor woman. 95 years old, dying of cancer, incontinent and Checkpoint Charlie thugs rob her of her dignity.
This is disgusting. I wish I could say that I can't believe an elderly, dying woman would ever be treated on such a manner, but I can believe it too well. The TSA goons responsible for this travesty should be ashamed of themselves. But of course they won't be because, hey, there might have been a bomb in that diaper. Cavity searches can't be far behind...
What really infuriates me about this incident, other than everything, is the fact that the daughter was not asked to accompany her mother into the private room!!!!! Why could they not have had the courtesy to ask if she would accompany them into that room.
That anger aside, I will support the TSA in one of its actions: advising the daughter that her mother had a soiled diaper and asking her to change it, rather than rubbing and proding the 95-years old in her "resistance" and spreading around whatever was in the diaper. At the same time, I thought it was against the rules for a victim to have any contact with another person. Did they have to begin the search all over again after she was cleaned up?
The comments to the story are for the most part awful, blaming the victim and the victim's daughter. The poor old lady was probably so frightened that she defecated when hauled into the private room.
The story is now on Drudge.
Wonder what the puppy post from Blogdad Bob will say about this one other than 'the screening was according to SOP?' Those TSOs who screened this woman have no sense of decency and their moral compass is broken.
The is really hitting the fan over this. It's now reaching our national TV networks & overseas papers.
I posted this on FT. We need to let the White House know that the TSA (expletive deleted) has gone to far.
Public humiliation, excoriation, ridicule, etc are all good tools to use against this secretive agency. The number of adversarial/hostile articles about TSA practices is growing. Once it hits critical mass I suspect the resignations will soon follow. Pistole had better get his agency under control before calls come in for his head on a plate.
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