"every telephone conversation Americans have ... is being captured as we speak"

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Mike, May 5, 2013.

  1. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    "All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak".
    UK Guardian: Are all telephone calls recorded and accessible to the US government?: A former FBI counterterrorism agent claims on CNN that this is the case

    The real capabilities and behavior of the US surveillance state are almost entirely unknown to the American public because, like most things of significance done by the US government, it operates behind an impenetrable wall of secrecy. But a seemingly spontaneous admission this week by a former FBI counterterrorism agent provides a rather startling acknowledgment of just how vast and invasive these surveillance activities are.

    Over the past couple days, cable news tabloid shows such as CNN's Out Front with Erin Burnett have been excitingly focused on the possible involvement in the Boston Marathon attack of Katherine Russell, the 24-year-old American widow of the deceased suspect, Tamerlan Tsarnaev. As part of their relentless stream of leaks uncritically disseminated by our Adversarial Press Corps, anonymous government officials are claiming that they are now focused on telephone calls between Russell and Tsarnaev that took place both before and after the attack to determine if she had prior knowledge of the plot or participated in any way.

    On Wednesday night, Burnett interviewed Tim Clemente, a former FBI counterterrorism agent, about whether the FBI would be able to discover the contents of past telephone conversations between the two. He quite clearly insisted that they could:

    BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?

    CLEMENTE: "No, there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation. It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.

    BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.

    CLEMENTE: "No, welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not."

    "All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak".

    On Thursday night, Clemente again appeared on CNN, this time with host Carol Costello, and she asked him about those remarks. He reiterated what he said the night before but added expressly that "all digital communications in the past" are recorded and stored:
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  2. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    People do not want to think the federal government is doing these things so they stick their heads further into the sand. Obama tells college grads (Ohio State) not to pay attention to their own eyes and ears because the government is made up of people like themselves, doing exactly what the citizens tell them, and no more. Meanwhile, in addition to illegal spying and data collection activities like this, the DHS and NSA security apparatus tightens, thousands of armored cars are ordered for local police, billions of hollow point rounds are purchased, and known murderers are appointed to the cabinet. Yep, John Brennan, who ran the drone program that summarily executed known or only suspected terrorists and innnocent bystanders, including using "double-tap" missile strikes designed to kill and wound first responders, a crime under international law, was appointed head of the CIA.

    The truth is, the link between the people and their government, if it still exists at all, is only a thread. Look at Boston, and how the citizens were treated by these thugs. With contempt and force.
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  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Our government has learned well from Russia (former Soviet Union), East Germany, China, and North Korea.

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