Experiment To Expose New TSA Opt-Out Intimidation Tactic

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by FliesWay2Much, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So if someone asks if the pat down will contact their penis you're suppose to say that word offends you?
     
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  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Not to my knowledge, I have never heard that or even had that implied in any discussions. The word I was referring to in the advisements is resistance, that is the word to be used.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    So what happens in practice if a person asks for clarification of exactly what you mean when you say resistance?

    Do you call a supervisor or do something else?
     
  4. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    So you're saything that this disenguous behavior is SOP:
    As well as this:
     
  5. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Personally, I would contact the STSO if the explanation that the patdown will go to resistance and that was an insufficient explanation.

    I was actually saying the exact opposite, that I am unaware of any advisement or SOP indicating that the TSO is to act offended if clarification is asked for. Further, I was also indicating that there is no indication that the TSOs are to attempt to intimidate anyone under any circumstance.
     
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Picture me just shaking my head. You would really call a 3 stripper if someone asks what you mean by resistance? Can you see just how absurb that is?

    No wonder that TSA is AFU!
     
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  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And if Rugape were aware of this or had been instructed to intimidate people, he wouldn't admit it anyway - so what was the point in asking him?
     
  8. Instead of being SOP, could this be a practice cultivated at individual checkpoints? I remember Bill Forester using that phrase to describe the practice of multiple clerks forming an intimidating crowd around a "difficult" passenger.
     
  9. worldwide

    worldwide Original Member

    Like a cone of silence ...??
     
  10. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    I doubt TSA headquarters would want their fingerprints anywhere near something like this practice, so I'm inclined to believe Rugape. I also think human nature being what it is, some groups may well have decided to do this. They should be located and fired.
     
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  11. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    After which they should be facing civil rights charges. Two years in Allenwood should be enough to chill out these former freedom fluffers. After which they can go back to making fries at McDogfood. Then again, I don't believe they hire felons.
     
  12. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA would though!
     
  13. worldwide

    worldwide Original Member

    Oh...snap!!!.... (( that was a good reply!!))
     
  14. Monica47

    Monica47 Original Member

    You know those trucks you see that have a sign on the back that says "how's my driving?" and then a phone number to call? Maybe TSA needs stickers on each employee that says "how am I doing?" with a phone number that goes directly to their supervisor. There is no doubt in my mind, whether it is SOP or not, that TSA agents use intimidation on passengers all the time. It's probably the only "fun" they have all day and they know most people will do whatever they are told in order to get on their flight. The TSA is losing respect each and every day and the intimidation is their attempt at getting some. Unfortunately they are too stupid to realize that in order to get respect you have to give respect.
     
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  15. worldwide

    worldwide Original Member

    So true...acting bad never leads to good!!
     
  16. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Acting bad seems to be a standard TSA SOP.
     
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  17. worldwide

    worldwide Original Member

    Exactly! !!
     
  18. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Reading through the two threads here & "over there", there are reports of this happening (usually including escalation to supervisors) at five airports:

    Akron (CAK)​
    Denver (DEN)​
    Dulles (IAD)​
    Flint (FNT)​
    Newark (EWR)​

    Nothing from the west coast or the southern or western states except Denver. Maybe these are beta sites? My guess is that it's the next official level of intimidation, just now being refined prior to a full rollout. When they're following the same playbook like this at at least three major airports (DEN, IAD, EWR), its not just coincidence.

    My prediction is that that it's going to get a lot uglier towards Christmas, but people need to continue to resist this intrusion:
    1. Opt out
    2. Ask whatever probing questions are necessary to clarify what they are going to do to you
    3. File those FOIA requests if there is any hint that they are making personally identifiable notes
    4. Post about your experiences so that other can share the knowledge
    This reeks of child molestation (game playing, seeking euphemistic ways to interact with a victim that mask your intentions) -- any experts on sexual abuse here or available? Surely there is a clinical description of this behavior? This is just an adult-on-adult version of Uncle Molester.
     
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  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Not necessarily "molester," but TSA employees appear to fit the clinical descriptions of the entire set of Cluster B personality disorders:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person...dramatic.2C_emotional_or_erratic_disorders.29

    Cluster B (dramatic, emotional or erratic disorders)

    Not to be confused with Type B personality.
     
  20. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

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