First Amendment Violations to Watch for at the RNC and DNC

Discussion in 'Civil Rights & Privacy' started by Lisa Simeone, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Another example of why all the lawsuits in the world won't help:

    First Amendment Violations to Watch for at the RNC and DNC
     
  2. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    I think that eventually the awards will go through the ceiling. Only insane sounding punative awards can get through to these career criminals and the naive taxpayers who keep them in power.
     
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    For police and other government employees removing all forms of immunity would do much to stop these practices.
     
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The immunity thing is an American invention designed to complete the domination of government over the people. Heck, even under the British Monarchy, colonists could and DID sue the British foreign secretary responsible for issuing the general writ of assistance under which their houses got ransacked, since this was against even British common law. a man's house being his castle and all.
     
  5. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I think you're too pessimistic here. It's a multi-stage process with a long cycle time -- four years if you're only counting the major political convention although other events, e.g. the summit in Chicago, should factor in as well. Actually 4+ years given that some of the cases from the 2008 conventions are still in the courts.

    The "cost of doing business" is not really the cost of paying awards but the cost of buying the umbrella liability policies that cover the events. For example, for the 2008 RNC the local authorities purchased a policy that covered them for up to $10M in judgements for police abuse & misconduct.

    The challenge then become how to make this too expensive for local governments?
    • The obvious answer is to run the judgements up over the liability threshold so that the local governments feel the pain directly.
    • The less obvious answer is that the judgments and settlements must consistently exceed (the greater the overage, the better) the costs of the liability policies, which will cause the insurance carriers to raise the rates for future events. Eventually these will become too expensive for many local units* of government to pay.
    Both answers are addressed by having enough volunteer attorneys available to convince the victims of abuse to sue and then to get those lawsuits into the courts.

    As more capable cell phones (esp. 'droids and iPads) are available, the amount and quality of video evidence of abuse at these events will skyrocket. This will only aid the victims in the long run.


    * Often these major cities aren't as major as people think, e.g. although the MSP census area has a population of 2M, the population of St. Paul (location of the 2008 RNC) is only 288K, and it is located in Ramsey County (514K). Ultimately these cities and counties will turn out to have to low a threshold for financial pain to continue abusing the public at these events.
     
  6. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    They don't have immunity from 18 USC 241 242. Start prosecuting, start convicting, and start putting these thugs in Supermax with the other violent incorrigibles.

    If Supermax is too expensive, strip them of citizenship and dump them in Somalia. I'm sure some warlord over there will be hiring.
     

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