Flights by U.S. airlines hit 10-year low

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

  2. jtodd

    jtodd Original Member

    Awesome, look at all of the comments. Maybe we'll see another airline bite the dust this year.
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  3. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach


    But the travel agencies want us to believe that travelers "have adapted" to the new security procedures.
  4. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    Love it!!
  5. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Not if they have to make way for drones.
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  6. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    The reporter and editor are getting creamed in the comments for not mentioning the TSA.
  7. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    As well they should.
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  8. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    TSA is not the only factor, perhaps not even one of the top factors. But it has definitely had a significant negative impact. It's unfortunate that it is so hard to measure.
  9. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    How can the TSA not be among the top reasons? They've created so many obstacles that a lot of people don't want to deal with the hassle of flying.
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  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    TSA is my top reason to avoid flying.

    I had a car trip planned for Florida next week that we had to cancel but will do it later and only will use air if I can't manage time constraints.
  11. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Yup... take TSA out of the equation and I'm much more likely to take short-duration trips and to fly while doing them.

    Amtrak outhauled Continental last year. Think about that for a minute.
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  12. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    TSA may not have the huge numerical impact that economic factors and the like do, numbers that can be extrapolated and multiplied and cross-factored and a bunch of other things like that to produce big globs of red ink (price of fuel * gallons per plane * daily flights, etc.) but they do have a massive impact on revenue streams.

    To put it another way, the economy may be why airlines are hemorrhaging cash out their collective (expletive deleted) NOW, but the TSA is why there's not as much cash coming in to fill the void. One just presents itself earlier than the other. Once they realize that downsizing and reducing numbers of flights isn't working the way it used to or ought to, then the effect of TSA aversion steps out of the shadows, grinning like a psycho.
  13. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

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  14. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Load Factors, 2011:

    WN Southwest Airlines Co. 92,480,440
    DL Delta Air Lines Inc. 78,126,779
    AA American Airlines Inc. 54,793,668
    US US Airways Inc. (Merged with America West 9/05. Reporting for both starting 10/07.) 38,438,491
    UA United Air Lines Inc. 33,543,935
    AM Amtrak 30,186,733
    CO Continental Air Lines Inc.26,028,389
    FL AirTran Airways Corporation 20,073,417
    B6 JetBlue Airways 19,001,423
    OO SkyWest Airlines Inc. 18,670,099

    Think about this: Amtrak, for most of its long-distance trains, is once-daily service. ONE train a day. There are some routes that are Tri-Weekly - one every OTHER day. And they're still out-hauling Continental, AirTran, Jet Blue, and SkyWest - #6 on the airlines list. (Amtrak manually inserted with stats from Mike's link above).
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Load factors are percentages, not numbers in the millions. Are these enplanements, tickets, or what? Your link doesn't work.
  16. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    For air travel the best recognized data source for U.S. airlines is the Air Travel Consumer Report. The latest report for Feb., 2012, covers all of 2011.

    This table from p. 47 ranks airlines by complaints in 2011 but also shows enplanement totals for 2010k & 2011:

  17. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    As I've said elsewhere, I used to fly almost once a week - sometimes I did fly once a week. And I did that for about 10 years. Now I don't fly at all. I still have to make those trips but now I either drive or take the train -- can't make the trips that frequently though -- too much wear and tear (on me).

    My parents are getting old though and I worry about them - if something happens and I can't take the time to drive or take the train, I'll just suck it up and fly.
  18. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    To add a datum point, I've mentioned before that I fly for free. FREE! I pay nothing. Not baggage fees. Not taxes. Not air fare. Not security fees. Nothing. I used to fly to Seattle for grocery shopping, Atlanta for breakfast, LA for lunch, SNA for a couple of hours at Disneyland, my point of reference was that I could hop on a plane and go somewhere fun, why bother staying at home on my day off? This was in addition to my weekly flights for work. I was on a plane at least twice weekly, if not a third hop around to finish up a loose end.

    At the time, TSA was merely a hassle and a slight nuisance, so I adapted with easier to slip on and off shoes, I packed lighter, I avoided taking liquids unless necessary. Sadly, I allowed their nonsense to dictate how I moved around. In fact, when the liquid ban was enacted I went to Marshall's and bought a basic backpack for about $10 and put my liquids in it, checked it, then continued to carry on my rollaboard.

    Now, TSA policies are abusive, barbaric, and just as, if not more, ineffective than they were before. I'd just rather not deal with the whole circus. It's moved from security theatre into a clown act. I imagine I'm not alone.

    As to the numbers Mike posted above, there is a 2% systemwide increase 2010-2011. That's pathetically small. Our goal was a minimum 5% increase in enplanements, which theoretically would lead to higher revenues. More people may be flying, but there are certainly a huge number of them that are avoiding it all together.

    For roughly the same period, from the article Mike posted, Amtrak saw an 8.5% rise in traffic. :confused:
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  19. JoeBas

    JoeBas Original Member

    Those are listed as "On-Flight Market Passengers Enplaned by UniqueCarrier for 2011", valid through October 2011 (compared with the Amtrak FY numbers in your link).
  20. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We had also been flying free (bump vouchers) domestically on Southwest for 2.5 years. It just wasn't worth the continued hassle of putting up with TSA.

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