Flights by U.S. airlines hit 10-year low

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by Fisher1949, Feb 14, 2012.

  1. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    Right. I was like that too. I didn't fly as much as you, but I have zillions of miles so I'd just plan in advance and use them for fun things. My s.o. and I decided there was a band we wanted to see in NYC, so bam, off we went. Thought nothing of it. Fly there, see the band, come back home the next day.

    And we'd think nothing of going to Bar Sinister in L.A. on a Saturday night - it's not even a one hour flight from SFO. Not much longer from Seattle. Now I have to train or drive down to L.A. - obviously I don't do it as much as I used to.

    It's crazy.
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  2. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I just did a FL trip that was half business trip and half vacation with my family.

    After I returned I looked at the Auto Train from VA to FL. Turns out that for a group of 5 adults it was $200 cheaper than airfare, bags and car rental and that included 3 rooms as well.

    Considering that you would leave early for the airport and arrive in the afternoon, the alternative is to sleep on the train the night before you would fly and arrive before 10:00AM in FL. Great deal if you're in the northeast.

    Since I had a split trip it wasn't an option this time.
  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I can really relate to that. Our idea of a fun weekend was Europe or Australia (not exactly a weekend but you can still do a day or two in Melbourne or Sydney & be back on Tuesday :) on cheap tickets where the FF miles were worth as much or often more than the tickets cost. Amsterdam for $400 when the going rate is $800? No prob -- quick return from Berlin, 23 hour layover in AMS.

    Domestically, we could go anywhere Southwest flew free, on bump vouchers, and probably collect more on the way. It was getting to the point that we couldn't spend all the Southwest vouchers & award trips. After my wifes grope, we cancalled all of our own tickets but -- not wanting to let Southwest off the hook -- gave 13 or 14 free trips to friends & coworkers.

    We're still sitting on about 400K miles, mostly UA/CO.
  4. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    Gave all of mine (~200K) to the USO programs in the FF plans. They give them to soldiers so they can complete their trips home via air.
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    yes, but for the record, if you go by coach, amtrak is far cheaper than flying, and if the west coast route is any indication, most people travel coach on amtrak. so the economics downturn theme *could* account for some of this. What I find interesting is that Europe, which is economically in a similar boat, has better numbers than the US. Perhaps that difference could be explained by TSA.
  6. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Another factor in support of that is that Europe has a much better developed passenger rail system. The fact that European airlines are showing better numbers than their American counterparts even as they compete with better rail systems is yet another indicator that something is wrong with our aviation industry (something spelled T-S-A).
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  7. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    And don't forget foreign tourism to this country is down. Since air travel within in Europe is up, it's not like they don't have money. They aren't coming to this country because of the (expletive deleted) they have to go through, thanks to both CBP and TSA.
  8. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    As I have said previously, this is why Rio got the Olympics and Shitcago got the finger.
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  9. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Look at it another way -- who wants to go to Chicago when you can go to Rio?

    Does anyone remember all the Jane Byrne jokes that used to go around during the Interregnum 'twixt the Dalys?
  10. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I personally believe that TSA has caused a negative impact on the number of people who are traveling by air. I have no real data to back up my beliefs other than personal observation. Surely the airline executives know the reasons for fewer passengers. I can only surmise that they say nothing because the airlines don't have to foot the bill for security. End of the day I'm betting they will have wished they had taken action.
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  11. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Well that, and TSA has a long, long history of retaliation against airlines that are "trouble makers".
  12. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    barbell, I wish we could get you to write about this for TSA News. You have a lot of inside information that the rest of us don't have. But you'd have to use your real name.

    If you don't want to do that, at least write something up that I can then post under my name, with a nod to you as "barbell, member of Travel Underground," "former airline industry employee," whatever.
  13. barbell

    barbell Coach Coach

    Let me sort out my current situation... ;)
  14. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    More evidence. I'm posting this in several thread because it applies to these discussions:
  15. Frank

    Frank Original Member

    We've adapted all right. We're not flying unless we absolutely have to.

    Heck, I'm afraid to take a Disney Cruise at this point, because TSA/DHS is at the port.
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    Frank Original Member

  17. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

  18. CdnPilot

    CdnPilot Original Member

    I can personally attest to this. We gave up traveling to the U.S. 18 months ago. The nastiness of the CPB is bad enough, but throw the TSA on top of it, and it just isn't worth the bother. We spend upwards of $25K/annum on leisure travel. It all goes to Europe and the Caribbean now. I can't see that changing any time soon. I really don't understand why Americans put up with it.
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  19. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    Many of us don't see why our fellow Americans put up with it, either.

    Why do people see a benefit in allowing a collective of defectives to grope them, steal their stuff, and generally abuse them simply so they can travel?

    I don't get it.

    I do know why the TSA employees do what they do, but that's just because they're all soulless monsters without consciences.
  20. Lisa Simeone

    Lisa Simeone Original Member

    CdnPilot, thanks for your insight. Doesn't surprise me. I've been telling all my friends who live abroad not to come here. Have been trying to explain to them for the past two years how bad it's gotten. Many of them don't want to believe it. Just like many Americans.

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