Discussion in 'What's On Your Mind?' started by mikemey, Aug 27, 2011.
Fwiw, the appeals at flyertalk dot com address does not work.
It wasn't removed, it automatically expired at midnight on the 26th.
One of the reasons is because we're down to two permanent mods, both of whom are volunteers with busy lives. Because we're splitting the forum into two areas and it will take us some time to manually move 712 pages worth of threads into the right subfora. Threads can be moved in groups but it still takes time to move a page worth since one can't always tell by thread title alone where it should go.
Can't speak for other mods, but my permissions allow me to duplicate threads in forums I moderate and move them to any other forum where I have read or write permissions.
Depends on which users you're talking about. What is to the liking of some conflicts with what others want. (And if I didn't care I would be here.)
Welcome to TUG!
I'm curious what the restructuring will be, and what is the driving force behind it.
I believe the address is appeal (no 'S') at flyertalk dot com, but there is now a contact form on the guidelines page which is used for the appeal process: http://www.flyertalk.com/help/feedbacktxt.php (select "Appeal Suspension" from the drop down menu).
N.B. New questions are coming in before I've had a chance to reply to older posts. Promise I will answer all but for the sake of organization and completeness please bear with me while I pick up where I left off.
Regardless of that fact, the emails in June were still wrong...
I've responded to every PM I've received thus far. While I'm obliged to check in on FT every day unless I'm traveling or on vacation, I usually check in two or three times a day though not the same time everyday. For me that usually means 5 p.m. to 2 a.m. West Coast time. If someone leaves a PM at 6:30 a.m. New York time it may of course appear that I'm lax in responding. That's one reason why we try to have mods in different time zone or who operate on different schedules. Hope this helps ...
As I said above, 712 x 40 convos going back almost seven years isn't something we can automate. Now that I've done about 18 pages I can tell you this much: The most threads I've been able to move at once is 18, roughly half a page. Even so, lots of threads I have to open and read through a bit to see where they fit into the new schema. (More below.)
Neither A nor B.
We're splitting the forum into two sections, one subfora for practical issues, one for contentious matters. No existing convos are being moved out of the forum.
I didn't know until yesterday morning that only mods and admins could see the new fora. (You should still be able to read the threads not yet moved, roughly June-ish back to sometime in 2003/4 ... but I'm sure someone with regular member privileges will tell me if I'm wrong. )
TS/S is not being deleted and we're not creating a new forum. Whether dividing a forum into two subfora is strictly the purview of TB I know naught.
I've gone into a some detail already on the first part so I'll just say this about the second part. It's not that there's a single driving force behind the change but that the forum is like a multi-car pile up at six-way intersection that never really gets cleared up. It was regular TS/S participants such as yourselves and those of similar, different or opposing perspectives who complained or pleaded for change.
Now that it's fixed is there some other remedy I can help you with?
The replies I got from my last exchange with mods "over there" were pretty pathetic.
I honestly don't care what you do here. Personally I just hope you & your cohorts just keep doing what you're doing "over there". It seems to work out quite well for us.
Are you willing to answer a personal question regarding your role as FT mod?
Sure, as long as it doesn't involve the privacy of another FTer.
No privacy issues at all. Simply stated, I'm curious to know what's behind your sympathies or bias towards TSA. Thanks!
Not sure how this has anything to do with my role on FT but I'm happy to answer you no matter the context.
I don't believe there's any pragmatic or ethical justification for the existence of this agency. Not the day it was authorized, certainly not now.
Perhaps I can explain then, Moderator actions on FT have appeared to favor TSA participants over other members.
No surprise really. FWIW, I've been accused of exactly the opposite appearance by many other FTers (aside from TSA employees).
It also seems that moderator action is taken against some users, but not others.. For instance, the term "groper" was apparently "derogatory", causing one to be suspended. However, countless others used the same term, and did not face a suspension.. Very inconsistent mod action. Either you enforce the policy, or you don't. A mod should not pick and choose what to enforce.
Let me clear up a misconception about something. Moderators don't read every post in every thread -- there simply aren't enough of us to do that -- nor is it expected of us. We're unpaid volunteers, very devoted to FT, but still just regular people with real jobs and very busy lives like you. We read and participate in TS/S as much as possible, catching some but not all derogatory references (and worse) before anyone else sees them. Much as I'd love to live in TS/S my time is limited. My fellow mods and I do read every RBP sent and act on them as necessary. If someone uses a derogatory term, please report it.
If I hadn't observed you posting in violation of your own "posting rubric" (which conveniently vanished), I might be willing to take you seriously.
TS/S has suffered from an excess of moderation with two of the the (until recently) three permanent moderators having NO JOBS AT ALL. Moderation was their life, and it showed. They're great, nice, wonderful people (I've met them numerous times) but moderation should never be allowed to become an end in itself.
essxjay: I hadn't heard from you when I posted - don't pretend to know where you live. For fairness, I was answered shortly thereafter, hurricane issues preventing me from reporting same.
I'll defend the moderators a bit - as I was one once upon a time on a different forum, and an administrator for a site as well. It sucks. There's no way you can read every post and sometimes the only way to know there's a problem is that report button - which is why I have no issues at all pushing it.
I wish FT mods would respond to a report though - it doesn't take but 3 seconds to say "Hey, we got it," or "Yes, we're aware" etc. It's just politeness. However, FT mods certainly aren't the only ones who don't do this (not talking about TUG either)
Its a thankless job. And yeah, if you're moderating and not doing real work, push the keyboard away and go outside an play.
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