Former Screener Rats Out TSA

Discussion in 'Aviation Passenger Security in the USA' started by RB, Mar 10, 2013.

  1. RB

    RB Founding Member

    This seems to be a story that keeps being repeated by various "former" TSA employees. Most of us already know that TSA is dysfunctional. That the screening process is not based on any measurable standard. That TSA is a make work program for the unemployable.

    Here, a Newark TSA screener who recently left the agency tells how silly policies and lazy workers do little to stop real threats:

  2. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    I am not going to make a bet, but I am fairly certain that this is Taking Sense Away making public statements in an anonymous fashion.
  3. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Was the person claims correct or not?
  4. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    It's an anonymous story. It would have more impact if he attached his name to it, although there could be legal repercussions from TSA, which would be intent on causing maximum harm whether legally justified or not.

    I'm not sure what to make of the claims that clerks can't feel sufficiently well with the backs of their hands. This assumes that this is a bad thing, and that every single passenger must be tested 100% to make sure they have nothing. There is only one way to do that, and that will never be accepted. Since by definition, we can't have this perfect screening, we are left with only the possibility of pretty good or fair screening, where there is some chance of catching a bomb carrier, and that chance of detection serves as a sufficient deterrent.

    Given this scenario, TSA's hands need to be out of passengers private areas unless there is reasonable cause for this. Being slavish about feeling up kids, disabled people, etc, makes no sense when there is no assurance that such feel-ups will catch well hidden explosives.
  5. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    My bet would be that the situation is actually worse than claimed - but I will also bet that Rugape hasn't seen anything as described in his own little pocket universe.
  6. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Putting the snark and BS aside I think our airport security is just wrong. Wrong in the scope, wrong in how it's done, wrong in who is doing it.

    TSA has claimed that terrorist are testing security daily. I have trouble buying that claim. If it is true then show me, we are the "We" in We the People. I do recognize that a terrorist attack is possible. But without some evidence of a possible attack I don't think we should all give up our rights to move freely and can do without invasive searches especially the parts that have nothing to do with finding weapons. Again, government is more than welcome to show me my errors.

    I cannot forgive or accept those people who work daily to undermine our Constitution, and I do mean DHS, TSA, and sadly our current President.
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  7. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    As for the comment about not being able to feel anything with the back of your hand... their full of :trash:. Although it takes intelligence and training (something absent with TSA) but same exact sensation/feeling with the back of the hands as it does the front.
  8. Fisher1949

    Fisher1949 Original Member Coach

    I was thinking the same thing.
  9. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    But then what would the current crop of TSA thugs, thieves, and morons do for a living if they weren't allowed to assault people and steal their belongings?

    They're not qualified to do anything else.
  10. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    If that's the case, then the terorists have tested our security 3400 times since 9/11, and the inept clown circus at TSA has yet to catch a single one of them despite 3400+ opportunities.
  11. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    And after the first 100 failed TSA tests or so, you'd think they'd have blown up at least one plane.

    We know the TSA's detection rates are dismal. So why aren't planes blowing up, say, 25% as often as the TSA wants us to believe they would if the TSA didn't exist? Occam's Razor suggests... "Because there just aren't that many terrorists out there."
  12. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    I can't do math tonight :(

    It's more like 3800+ opportunities (11.5 years worth)
  13. RB

    RB Founding Member

    If we base the the non-attempts off of the 1.6 million people who fly daily we can see just how big a problem this really is.
  14. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Which claims? If you are referring to the back of the hand not being able to determine if something is there, then no, they are not correct.
  15. RB

    RB Founding Member

    There were several claims. One I thought was interesting was intrusion testing. If one of your own co-workers is used or prior knowledge of who to look for is that really testing? Or how about the lack of discipline. Mentioned was a person who took a couple of weeks off (AWOL) but wasn't fired. Is that how it really works at TSA. If need be I can go back to the article and pull up more questions.
  16. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    The "intrusion" testing is done several ways, I am not certain on what methods I can comment on without straying into SSI territory, but I can tell you that we are subject to be tested by the Red team, and other methods at any time, with no advance notice, no warning, no indication until they begin to report their findings. Based on that, I can say that the testing is pretty effective in my experience. The lack of discipline is a conditional question for me, because had I done what was listed above, I would have faced repercussions up to and possibly including removal from service (termination). I can't comment on the anonymous comments because I have no first hand knowledge of the incident. As far as an overall lack of discipline, I have questioned how situations have been dealt with in the past, but I have not seen egregious lack of it locally. Interpretation of disciplinary regulations will always be a subjective point of view, so I am certain that I would disagree with things (on a case by case basis) anywhere I worked - and have in the past.
  17. RB

    RB Founding Member

    First off TSA is not a "service". If being fired for not showing up for work for a couple of weeks isn't a certainty then TSA has a discipline problem.

    Seems to me that TSA gives to much leeway to local ops since we have all heard the phrase "we don't do it that way at my airport."
  18. Caradoc

    Caradoc Original Member

    "Removal from service?" Since when is accepting a TSA paycheck "service?"
  19. Rugape

    Rugape Original Member

    Technically (and in my mind) TSA is a form of service, we are sworn in, and hold the title Officer, that qualifies under regulations as service. It is not the same as Military service, or other types of service, but the technical title is there.

    99% of the employee regulations I have seen at any location I have worked indicate, something almost exactly like "up to and including removal/termination" as part of the suggested way to respond in disciplinary matters. It does not mean that the employee will always be fired, but it does give the ability to do so in egregious circumstances or in the case of a pattern of unacceptable behavior. I will float it out there, that if I had not shown up for work for 2 weeks, came back and then didn't report for another week without proper clearance or a pretty good reason, you guys wouldn't have me around to bash on anymore. I feel pretty confident that any employee here would be in the same boat. Again, I can not speak for the situation mentioned in the article, because I do not know of it. It is a second hand story from an anonymous source - sort of like if you got an email from someone in Montana notifying you that the Governer was sleeping with his secretary. Until some sort of followup is conducted, or I have some concrete info, they are both equally valuable. I am certain that some fact checking was done on the part of the newsies, however in this era, where so much of the crap in the press is either bald faced lies, guesses, and steered towards the direction that best suits the media member writing it, I tend to take things with a grain of salt.
  20. RB

    RB Founding Member

    Like the articles on the TSA blog? If I was part of that blog organization I would be embarrassed.

    The person indicates that they used local employees for some contraband testing. True or not?

    S/he indicated that discipline was sub par. If the above paragraph is true then I agree that discipline is sub par by a large margin.

    Are LTSO and STSO's really supervisors at TSA? If the above report is true I would say no.

    Again if the report is only partially true TSA is badly flawed. We already know how badly travelers are treated and that alone is a strong indication of internal issues. I know from personal experience that trying to get some sort of corrective action for badly behaving TSA employees is just about impossible.

    We know from often repeated reports of out and out lies by TSA employees saying photography is illegal that TSA does not enforce training standards or require employees to comply with SOP.

    We know that screening procedures are not implemented correctly in many cases and that TSA employees have attitudes that are clearly offensive and confrontational.

    How much evidence is needed to sound the alarm that TSA has serious problems. Lack of senior leadership is certainly an issue.
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