Further TSA expansion into the trucking industry & highway transportation

Discussion in 'Railways, Highways, Waterways' started by Elizabeth Conley, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    The TSA is a rapidly metastasizing cancer which will gravely contribute to the death of our nation in the decades to come:
    No one will want to live here once the fascists have reduced internal travel to the tightly controlled trickle of Communist backwaters such as Cuba.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article38011.html

    Imagine TSA filth crawling everywhere, tormenting travelers on every highway, in every bus station and train.

    I can't help but remember from yesterday's discussion that NYC has 1 police thug for every 240 citizens. Imagine how much misery one police state thug for every 240 U.S. citizens could generate. How many law enforcement encounters and quasi-law enforcement encounters would each of the 240 citizens have to endure as a consequence?

    That's what agencies like the TSA will do to the U.S. They'll turn our once decent nation into a fascist pest hole, just to feed the greed, sadism and megalomania of a select few.

    Yeah, I'm pretty disgusted by all this.
     
  2. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    We need to cut the head off this snake before it's too late. :eek:

    Market Oracle UK: TSA Tightening Grip on Internal U.S. Travel

    Wendy McElroy writes: The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is tightening its grip on domestic travcel. I don't mean the random, unpredictable security checks at bus, subway and train stations which already exist. I mean a coordinated and systematic police control of internal travel within America. Groundwork is being laid.


    APPLICATION TO MAKE U.S. INTO AN AIRPORT SCREENING ZONE

    The application was tucked away on page 71431 of Volume 77, Number 231 of the Federal Register (November 30). It was surrounded by soporific references to forwarding “the new Information Collection Request (ICR) abstracted below to the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) for review and approval under the Paperwork Reduction Act (PRA).”

    The application for funding from the TSA constitutes a preliminary step toward systematically expanding TSA's authority from airports to highways and almost every other means of public travel. The expansion would erase one of the last remaining differences between the US and a total police state; namely, the ability to travel internally without being under police surveillance. The total police state you experience at airports wants to spill into roads and bus stops, to subways and trains. Or, rather, the TSA wants to solidify and spread the fledgling and erratic presence it already has.

    The official request reads, “TSA's Highway BASE program [Baseline Assessment for Security Enhancement] seeks to establish the current state of security gaps and implemented countermeasures throughout the highway mode of transportation by posing questions to major transportation asset owners and operators.” An example would be an owner and the employees of a long-haul truck company. The application continues, “Data and results collected through the Highway BASE program will inform TSA's policy and program initiatives and allow TSA to provide focused resources and tools to enhance the overall security posture within the surface transportation community.”

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  3. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    You beat me by one minute. :eek:
     
  4. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    Sorry
     
  5. nachtnebel

    nachtnebel Original Member

    The transportation safety act is currently the only thing directly authorizing such an invasion into the internal travel of US citizens. So even though the TSA org has taken major PR hits over the last two years, it's the only game in town for those who desire this control. I believe internal controls are desired because of the fears those in government have over bad and worsening economic conditions. It won't take much now to upset the applecart economically and financially, IMHO. When you seize powers of control like the federal government has, you start fearing your own shadow. This is a well-known by now psychological consequence of that behavior.
     
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  6. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    :( We're doomed! :(
     
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  7. Doober

    Doober Original Member

    Call me Pollyanna, but I do think there could be an upside to this and that is the more the TSA inserts itself into our everyday lives, the more people will be exposed to them and the TSA's uselessness will reveal itself. That's why I have never been complete against scanning/groping of railroad/bus/subway riders.
     
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  8. RB

    RB Founding Member

    I travel armed when possible. If someone other than a LEO tries to interfere with my lawful actions while traveling it could end up badly. I might face a trial but not the other guy.
     
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  9. DeafBlonde

    DeafBlonde Original Member

    I have already made it perfectly clear to the Houston Metropolitan Transit Authority that I will not tollerate TSA anywhere near that venue. I think a lot of other people did the same, and METRO may have gotten the hint. The TSA never came back after that big Dog 'n Pony show which was touted by that idiot Sheila Jackson-Lee.
     
  10. Elizabeth Conley

    Elizabeth Conley Original Member

    You have a point. The TSA does OK with the general public, because much of the public doesn't fly. Among people who fly, their name is dirt. Let the TSA abuse every bus rider, train passenger and mini-van full of vacationers, and there will be (expletive deleted) to pay.
     
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  11. N965VJ

    N965VJ Original Member

    The scary thing is, there are already places such as DOT weighing stations along the highway that the TSA can infest and set up shop.

    State and local governments can be coerced into giving in by having funding withheld, such as what happened with the legal drinking age raised to 21 nationwide.
     
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  12. FetePerfection

    FetePerfection Founding Member Coach

    I don't have much faith in my fellow citizens any longer. Status-quo is okay by them and because TSA invasion outside airports as been for the most part, slow and insidious, I think TSA abuse will be looked at as the norm. As I mentioned in another thread, the generation that actually knows and appreciates the Constitution and what it stands for is becoming the minority. Now I understand why my father says "I can't wait for all to be over". He was a freedom fighter.
     
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  13. Sunny Goth

    Sunny Goth Original Member Coach

    I guess I'm in the concerned camp, but I don't believe we're doomed. Here's why --

    -- if airport style checkpoints become the norm at buses and train stations, people will stop taking buses and trains, and they'll either walk, bike, or drive. You only have so much time in the day. I know that if I thought for a moment that I was going to be hounded on MUNI, I wouldn't take it. I hate it anyway (it's always late). I'd just walk. As it is, I do the mental calculation 'how long will it take me to walk from point A to point B?' If I can walk it in less time than it would take to wait for the bus, I walk. I'm far from the only person who does this. If I thought I'd be hounded at Amtrak, I wouldn't take the train, I'd drive or I wouldn't go.

    The goal is to get people out of their cars and into public transportation, not to irritate them so much that they leave in droves. Never underestimate the power of an irritated commuter. ;)

    -- if roadblocks are set up on highways for individual drivers (not truckers), I'm pretty confident that once a case got to the Supreme Court, the roadblocks would be found to be unconstitutional. Roadblocks are allowed in limited situations, and 'we're searching you because we're the TSA" isn't one of them. The administrative search doctrine is not going to work on the highway the way it does at airports. And again, I'm talking individual drivers, not truckers.

    I don't know if the Supreme Court has ruled on the '100 miles of a border' searches yet...
     
  14. KrazyKat

    KrazyKat Original Member

    I lean heavily to "doomed."
    I think this is more about control of capital in exchange for compliance. Who works. Who gets funding. Stasi-land, but not necessarily checkpoints.

    I found this passage most disturbing:
     
  15. Mike

    Mike Founding Member Coach

    Which is exactly how the Stasi worked -- an extensive informer network feeding info back to the agency. Ultimately they had one informer for every 6.5 East Germans.
     
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  16. CelticWhisper

    CelticWhisper Founding Member

    All this points back to something that's rapidly becoming more and more obvious - TSA has too many instances of wrongdoing in too wide a variety for reform to be even remotely practical. Abolition is truly the only solution.
     
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  17. TravelnMedic

    TravelnMedic Original Member

    <sarcasm> I cant wait for this to happen in Texas... I give it 12 hours before the first smurf prole gets knocked into the ER for being stupid. Kind of hard to say your vowels with a barrel in your mouth.
     

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